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I've been thinking about this subject on Hezekiah and God telling him he was going to die but then adding 15 years to his life. These are just my thoughts:
What about this: Hezekiah knew that there was a provizo attached to "get your house in order for you are going to die" in that he knew if he asked God for mercy he would get it?
For instance, take the declamation given to Nineveh by Jonah. . .
"Forty days more and Nineveh shall be overturned" (Johah 3:4).
The people of Nineveh must have known this declaration was not written in stone but is said with a provizo. And so they repented:
"Then the men of Nineveh are believing in Elohim. And they are calling a fast and are putting on sackcloths, from their greatest unto their small." (Jonah 3:4,5).
The Ninevites must have known that if they repented that God would be merciful and not destroy their city.
It is not that God lied to them in telling them that Nineveh would be overturned without any doubt, repentance or not.
And God already knew Hezekiah would live 15 years longer because I believe He put that longing in his heart to weep for mercy.
God did not lie to the Ninevites in telling them that their city would be destroyed in 40 days either. He knew there was a provizo and knew they would repent because He declared the end from the beginning. He gave them repentence.
but if you look deeper into the scriptures...if God said all that and knew the outcome then if He knew the outcome it was as certain that He decreed it such...if He sent Jonah to preach to them and then waited to see what would happen then God would not be omniscient...but He is omniscient...He knows all because He decrees it to be...We do not know the future, only God does...So, if God knows the future would it not be a certain to happen as if He himself decreed it to be such?...But in scripture God does say that He decrees, preordains and predesdinates and that He declares the end from the beginning and things already done from ancient times...I believe DNA is God's program code because even science says that DNA is a road map of the individual...what diseases he will be suceptible to, what temperments he will have, even when he will die...and through the way DNA is programmed into us individually, and through devine causal effects...God can state that He declares the end from the beginning...and i believe the devine spark is programmed into the Elect as opposed to the non-elect that are missing that one line of code that is the devine spark that causes the individual to respond positively to the Gospel...If man can create AI to learn and respond by itself and in effect be an thinknig individual an entity...then how much more can God?...
Perhaps . . . perhaps not . . . but He is the God of Jesus Christ!! I am a Christian after all . . . NOT a Biblean or Churchian. Besides Love casts out all fear. They are incompatible. So what you suggest is an oxymoron.
it is not what he suggests...it is quoted from scripture...and if scripture is not to be trusted...then how do we know there is a God after all?...
The 'God is Love' mantra again...forgetting all the other attributes of God...
The ONLY attributes of God are those of Jesus Christ. He came to lift the veil of ignorance that covers reading the OT and misunderstanding the nature of God. Jesus is the LIVING Word of God and the "mind of Christ" is the ONLY guide to the TRUE NATURE of God. The Holy Spirit within is our guide to what God has "written in our hearts" so that we may use the "mind of Christ" to read the OT and REMOVE the veil of ignorance using what is "written in our HEARTS."
1 Corinthians 2:16
For who hath known the mind of the Lord(True Nature of God), that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
2 Corinthians 3:14-17
But their minds were blinded:(Blind Mind = ignorance) for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15But even unto this day, when Moses(OT) is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16Nevertheless when it (HEART)shall turn to the Lord(JESUS), the vail shall be taken away.
17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2 Corinthians 3: 2-6 (King James Version)
2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament;not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
1 John 2:27 (King James Version)
27But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.
Last edited by MysticPhD; 04-17-2010 at 02:23 PM..
But if read read what Paul is saying is that those that fall will be raised from the dead --- the word that is used G1653 is used in scripture for the action of mercy being bestowed, I do not see in other passages that there is any uncertainty of mercy being shown - it seems that the mercy that is bestowed is dependent on being first in unbelief -- if you have never been unbelieving or disobedient God can not show mercy.
G1653
ἐλεέω
eleeō
el-eh-eh'-o
From G1656; to compassionate (by word or deed, specifically by divine grace): - have compassion (pity on), have (obtain, receive, shew) mercy (on).
but if you look deeper into the scriptures...if God said all that and knew the outcome then if He knew the outcome it was as certain that He decreed it such...if He sent Jonah to preach to them and then waited to see what would happen then God would not be omniscient...but He is omniscient...He knows all because He decrees it to be...We do not know the future, only God does...So, if God knows the future would it not be a certain to happen as if He himself decreed it to be such?...But in scripture God does say that He decrees, preordains and predesdinates and that He declares the end from the beginning and things already done from ancient times...I believe DNA is God's program code because even science says that DNA is a road map of the individual...what diseases he will be suceptible to, what temperments he will have, even when he will die...and through the way DNA is programmed into us individually, and through devine causal effects...God can state that He declares the end from the beginning...and i believe the devine spark is programmed into the Elect as opposed to the non-elect that are missing that one line of code that is the devine spark that causes the individual to respond positively to the Gospel...If man can create AI to learn and respond by itself and in effect be an thinknig individual an entity...then how much more can God?...
With you all the way in this...
Psalm 87:6The LORD shall COUNT, when he writeth up the people, that this man was BORN there. Selah
Psalm 87:6The LORD shall COUNT, when he writeth up the people, that this man was BORN there. Selah
it makes sense considering the knowledge they are gleening from the study of DNA...take temperment...Paul had some very sore temperment toward the christians...he killed them...but, it is obvious that he had the devine spark in him for he responded to the Lord on the road to Demascus...We are to witness the gospel to everyone, for we do not know which ones were chosen by God...His word will go out and will not come back void...it will accomplish what it is meant to accomplish...that is to convict (trigger the devine spark) or condemn (where the devine spark is lacking there will be no response or a negative response because that line of code is missing in that individual)...But we do not know which ones they are, so we are to preach to all with no regard...One who understands programming will understand where i am coming from...
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