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Old 04-21-2010, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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God didn't do something that he had thought to do.
Chomp Chomp...yumm yumm...oooh that fruit from this tempting tree is good!

Why can't people just take the scripture without imposing their own depraved responses into it?

God does not change His mind....period.
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Old 04-21-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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Chomp Chomp...yumm yumm...oooh that fruit from this tempting tree is good!
Your sarcasm is entertaining but doesn't actually mean much.
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Why can't people just take the scripture without imposing their own depraved responses into it?
I don't know, why do you?

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God does not change His mind....period.

Really, you typed the dot, I honestly do know that you placed a period at the end of your sentence , you didn't have to spell it.
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:12 AM
 
Location: US
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Wow ... They won't like you saying that.
Actually, Arminius was dead on about a lot of things...it is just when it came to the Sovreignty of God with his 5 points of Arminianism that he fell short...

The Synod of Dort (also known as the Synod of Dordt or the Synod of Dordrecht) was a National Synod held in Dordrecht in 1618-1619, by the Dutch Reformed Church, in order to settle a serious controversy in the Dutch churches initiated by the rise of Arminianism. The first meeting was on November 13, 1618, and the final meeting, the 154th, was on May 9, 1619. Voting representatives from the Reformed churches in eight foreign countries were also invited. Dort was a contemporary colloquial English term for the town of Dordrecht and it still is the local colloquial pronunciation of the name.

The purpose of the Synod held in Dordrecht was to settle a controversy that had arisen in the Dutch churches following the spread of Arminianism. After the death of Jacob Arminius his followers presented objections to the Belgic Confession and the teaching of John Calvin, Theodore Beza, and their followers. These objections were published in a document called The Remonstrance of 1610, and his proponents were therefore also known as Remonstrants. The opposing Calvinists, led by professor Franciscus Gomarus of the University of Leiden, became known as the Contra-Remonstrants.
In The Remonstrance and in some later writings, the Arminians published an alternative to the Calvinist doctrine of the Belgic Confession on several points of difference. They taught election on the basis of foreseen faith, a universal atonement, resistible grace, and the possibility of lapse from grace. Simon Episcopius (1583–1643) was spokesman of the 13 representatives of the Remonstrants who were summoned before the Synod in 1618.
"Episcopius was their chief speaker; and with great art and address did he manage their cause. He insisted on being permitted to begin with a refutation of the Calvinistic doctrines, especially that of reprobation, hoping that, by placing his objections to this doctrine in front of all the rest, he might excite such prejudice against the other articles of the system, as to secure the popular voice in his favor. The Synod, however, very properly, reminded him, that they had not convened for the purpose of trying the Confession of Faith of the Belgic Churches, which had been long established and well known; but that, as the Remonstrants were accused of departing from the Reformed faith, they were bound first to justify themselves, by giving Scriptural proof in support of their opinions. The Arminians would not submit to this plan of procedure because it destroyed their whole scheme of argument. However, the Synod firmly refused to make any concessions on this point of order. Day after day they were reasoned with and urged to come and scripturally defend their published doctrines. . . The Arminians would not submit to this course and were thus compelled to withdraw. Upon their departure, the Synod proceeded without them."[1]

The Synod concluded with a rejection of these views, and set forth the Reformed doctrine on each point, namely: total depravity, unconditional election (arguing the efficacy of Christ's atoning work was applicable only to the elect and not the unregenerate world), limited atonement, irresistible (or irrevocable) grace, and the perseverance of the saints. These are sometimes referred to as the Five points of Calvinism and remembered by many using the mnemonic "TULIP".
The Decision of the Synod of Dort on the Five Main Points of Doctrine in Dispute in the Netherlands, popularly known as the Canons of Dort, is the explanation of the judicial decision of the Synod. In the original preface, the Decision is called a
judgment, in which both, the true view agreeing with God's word concerning the aforesaid five points of doctrine is explained and, the false view disagreeing with God's Word is rejected.
The Canons are not intended to be a comprehensive explanation of Reformed doctrine, but only an exposition on the five points of doctrine in dispute. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Dort
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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No he doesn't change, any more than changing your mind makes you anything other than human.
As I see it, we change our minds unexpectedly. In contrast, when God "changes His mind" He does so expectedly and with foreknowlege.

Here is God planning ahead of time to "change His mind" when the conditions are right.
  • Deuteronomy 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
  • Jeremaiah 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you
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