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Old 02-14-2019, 08:31 PM
 
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God the father-God the Son-God the Holy Spirit are co-equal and have always been ONE God. Jesus is the Creator who stood in the void and spoke the universe into existence. Jesus has made other appearances through out time, this before being born of a virgin, sired by the Spirit. He holds the universe together and was fully God and fully man during the earthly ministry. He ascended to heaven and will return to Zion.....He is the judge of all and will establish an eternal kingdom......believe that He died for your sins, was dead and buried and resurrected on the third day to give eternal life to those who believe Him.......rejoice forever ......
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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Paul of Tarsus, was definitely the founder of the christian faith, as we know it today. He was a Jew. Not any Jew but a fundamentalist and zealous of the traditions of his fathers. (Galatians 1: 14). He is more known by his persecution of christians than by the fact that he established the rules and conditions that define christianity.

Paul was a very educated man and a gifted manipulator; from a persecutor of christians, he went up the ladder to become THE apostle. There is no doubt that his faith in Christ was sincere and absolute. He died decapitated in Rome in 67 A.D.

Now his epistles or letters are cited by scholars more than the Gospels, when some doubt about christianity arises.

In his epistle to The Romans, (Chapter 1, versicles 3 and 4), he testifies 3) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4) And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

From the cited source, Paul definitely sustains that Jesus was from the line of blood of king David, which means that Joseph the carpenter was his father according to the flesh and that Jesus was conceived as a result of a biological proceeding.

Versicle 4 contains an even more disturbing declaration. Jesus was declared to be the Son of God by the resurrection from the dead.

That's Paul's testimony and a simple and sincere analysis, provides some facts that most christians ignore. The first is that according to Paul, Jesus was "declared" Son of God but no hint suggests who made the declaration nor do we know the degree of credibility he had. If the declaration is attributed to "the people", by no means it should be taken seriously because they wouldn't have the authority nor the identity to pronounce such declaration.

No less important the fact that Paul says that the declaration was done after the resurrection from the dead. So does it mean that nobody believed in the divinity of Jesus until someone told them that he had risen from the dead? What about the three years he spent teaching and performing miracles? How do we explain the denial of Peter? Was he faking his faith?

I consider myself a christian, but the only clues that suggest divine features in Jesus would be his techings.
Nice try, but no cigar.

Matthew chapter 1 relates the line of birth until it reaches Jacob the father of Joseph - Mary's husband. Verse 16 says Jesus was born of Mary. The entire line of succession traces the blood line to Jacob and then it stops. Matthew 1:16 deliberately displays the lack of succession from Joseph, Mary's husband, to Jesus.

The declaration that Jesus is the Son of God is made several times when GOD is quoted as saying, "This is my son in whom I am well pleased." This declaration is made thus;

Matthew 3:17
Mark 1:11
Matthew 17:5
2 Peter 1:17
Luke 3:22

When Paul declares in Romans that the power of the resurrection was declared Paul did indeed state the declaration was made through the Spirit of Holiness. Since you are unaware of the meaning of this title, we'll let it go this time and simply relegate your lack of consideration to ignorance rather than a blatant attempt of deceit.

Your questions are more in accord with the doctrine of taqiyya than Biblical truth when you assert nobody believed in the divinity of Jesus (Isa) prior to His crucifixion.

In Mark 8:27 and in Matthew 6:13 Jesus asks "who do men say I am?" His disciple admits Jesus (Isa) is the Christ, the Son of YAH. In addition they also admit that many people who had heard of Jesus believed it also. You have conveniently neglected to include this encounter in your statement.

You are NOT providing facts for Christians to ignore. You are asserting lies and innuendo to assert the false doctrine that Jesus was not born of God and that He was not crucified or arose from the dead after being publicly executed.

Finally Paul did not go up the ladder to claim to be an apostle. In the book of Acts it is written that Paul was anointed of God to that position. This anointing was certified by the many miracles of healing which were accredited to have been done by YAH in Paul's presence.

Going up the ladder assumes a false apostolic position as was actually performed several centuries later by a self-proclaimed Arab prophet/apostle who was more liar than healer and who ascended the ladder of success by means of slitting men's throats. The false Arab prophet asserted his conceited position by means of war and demonic revelation (he admitted it to his wife and also by scholars who've studied his words) rather than the peaceful work of the Holy Spirit. If you want a good target for your accusations, choose one like him.

If you have honest forthright questions about Christianity and the Biblical account of the birth ministry death and resurrection of the Son of God then why not pose them in that frame of reference? Deceit cannot be justified by means of false assertions and innuendo.

Jesus IS hashem.

At present Jesus has assumed the office of High Priest after the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 5:10).

Since you are so very clever about such things, tell us what the order of Melchizedek means in terms of the blood line of the Son of God. It is VERY important because it explains the source not only of Jesus' authority in heaven but of the divine declaration of His Holy Authority on earth as well as His relationship with Adonai.

At this hour, according to the Holy Bible, Jesus holds the office of High Priest. What is the significance of Melchizedek's order? You are so very clever. Enlighten us all.

Baruch HaShem Yeshuah.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

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Old 02-15-2019, 05:19 AM
 
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He is the Father of all living things.
Hey...don't leave out the rocks and clouds!
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:56 AM
 
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God is still the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Read Revelation 3:21 kjv
He’s everyone’s Father...
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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God the father-God the Son-God the Holy Spirit are co-equal and have always been ONE God. Jesus is the Creator who stood in the void and spoke the universe into existence. Jesus has made other appearances through out time, this before being born of a virgin, sired by the Spirit. He holds the universe together and was fully God and fully man during the earthly ministry. He ascended to heaven and will return to Zion.....He is the judge of all and will establish an eternal kingdom......believe that He died for your sins, was dead and buried and resurrected on the third day to give eternal life to those who believe Him.......rejoice forever ......
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Old 02-15-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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He’s everyone’s Father...
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:20 PM
 
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He is the Father of all living things.
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Hey...don't leave out the rocks and clouds!
We don’t know for sure whether rocks are alive. But based on our current definitions of life, which is entirely a human construct; rocks are non-living things. But, hey, "a rolling stone gathers no moss." It has no need of wealth, status, commitment or responsibility.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:40 PM
 
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Yes it's quite simple really. Jesus(Son of God) is the image of God(the Father) who is a spirit. Jesus is the body, house, temple of God. If you've seen Him then you've seen the Father.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:53 PM
 
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Yes it's quite simple really. Jesus(Son of God) is the image of God(the Father) who is a spirit. Jesus is the body, house, temple of God. If you've seen Him then you've seen the Father.
We see the Father in the sense that Jesus shows us, explains to us, his Father.
For just as John informs us at John 1:18 that No man has seen God at any time. People saw Jesus.
For just as John informs us at John 6:46 that Not any man has seen the Father. Man has seen Jesus.
For just as John informs us at 1st John 4:12 that No man has seen God at any time.
John is thus in harmony with Exodus 33:20 that No man can see God and live. People saw Jesus and lived.
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Old 02-25-2019, 02:00 PM
 
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He’s everyone’s Father...
I find, in the sense that the word ' father ' means ' life giver ' means the God of the Bible is everyone's father.
However, (a BIG however) at John 8:44 Jesus teaches some people have the ' devil ' as their father.
That is because they do the deeds/works of their devil father as per John 8:41-43 and Matthew 3:7-9.
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