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Paul of Tarsus, was definitely the founder of the christian faith, as we know it today. He was a Jew. Not any Jew but a fundamentalist and zealous of the traditions of his fathers. (Galatians 1: 14). He is more known by his persecution of christians than by the fact that he established the rules and conditions that define christianity.
Paul was a very educated man and a gifted manipulator; from a persecutor of christians, he went up the ladder to become THE apostle. There is no doubt that his faith in Christ was sincere and absolute. He died decapitated in Rome in 67 A.D.
Now his epistles or letters are cited by scholars more than the Gospels, when some doubt about christianity arises.
In his epistle to The Romans, (Chapter 1, versicles 3 and 4), he testifies 3) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4) And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.
From the cited source, Paul definitely sustains that Jesus was from the line of blood of king David, which means that Joseph the carpenter was his father according to the flesh and that Jesus was conceived as a result of a biological proceeding.
Versicle 4 contains an even more disturbing declaration. Jesus was declared to be the Son of God by the resurrection from the dead.
That's Paul's testimony and a simple and sincere analysis, provides some facts that most christians ignore. The first is that according to Paul, Jesus was "declared" Son of God but no hint suggests who made the declaration nor do we know the degree of credibility he had. If the declaration is attributed to "the people", by no means it should be taken seriously because they wouldn't have the authority nor the identity to pronounce such declaration.
No less important the fact that Paul says that the declaration was done after the resurrection from the dead. So does it mean that nobody believed in the divinity of Jesus until someone told them that he had risen from the dead? What about the three years he spent teaching and performing miracles? How do we explain the denial of Peter? Was he faking his faith?
I consider myself a christian, but the only clues that suggest divine features in Jesus would be his techings.
Paul of Tarsus, was definitely the founder of the christian faith, as we know it today. He was a Jew. Not any Jew but a fundamentalist and zealous of the traditions of his fathers. (Galatians 1: 14). He is more known by his persecution of christians than by the fact that he established the rules and conditions that define christianity.
Paul was a very educated man and a gifted manipulator; from a persecutor of christians, he went up the ladder to become THE apostle. There is no doubt that his faith in Christ was sincere and absolute. He died decapitated in Rome in 67 A.D.
Now his epistles or letters are cited by scholars more than the Gospels, when some doubt about christianity arises.
In his epistle to The Romans, (Chapter 1, versicles 3 and 4), he testifies 3) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4) And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.
From the cited source, Paul definitely sustains that Jesus was from the line of blood of king David, which means that Joseph the carpenter was his father according to the flesh and that Jesus was conceived as a result of a biological proceeding.
Versicle 4 contains an even more disturbing declaration. Jesus was declared to be the Son of God by the resurrection from the dead.
That's Paul's testimony and a simple and sincere analysis, provides some facts that most christians ignore. The first is that according to Paul, Jesus was "declared" Son of God but no hint suggests who made the declaration nor do we know the degree of credibility he had. If the declaration is attributed to "the people", by no means it should be taken seriously because they wouldn't have the authority nor the identity to pronounce such declaration.
No less important the fact that Paul says that the declaration was done after the resurrection from the dead. So does it mean that nobody believed in the divinity of Jesus until someone told them that he had risen from the dead? What about the three years he spent teaching and performing miracles? How do we explain the denial of Peter? Was he faking his faith?
I consider myself a christian, but the only clues that suggest divine features in Jesus would be his techings.
Countless amounts of times it says in the Bible, they thought he was Christ.
He was born of the Virgin MAry, meaning no man-woman conception...
Holy Spirit put him there.
Christian Faith was not created or founded by anyone (1) man... Adam and Eve believed in God, but the Christians faith is believing Jesus is the Son of God and he died to save us from our sins...
Where does Paul say all of this? Is sounds EASILY disprovable, and whats a "Versicle"?
Could not have been a Jew, Jews believe Jesus lived, but don't believe he is the way to Heaven.
Credibility?? Thats funny...
Thats like saying you don't have the credibility to say if a car is a car, who DOES have the credibility??
I can be just as offensive contending for salvation without having to account immaculate conception as being anything but but the ultimate textbook example of Kosher lovemaking a man and woman could engage in while conceiving. Matter of fact I can offend 360 by doing so . That special o so very romantic night was ingrained in both Mary and Joseph's hearts and minds.Deep inside they knew their passionate embrace would bear a messiah. Every soul that proceeds from the Guf of YHVH is His child. Yeshuah just happened to be the Meshiach. Enoch was translated , his son died. Joseph died , his son was translated. Want more proof ? Elijah was translated too. Kinda fouls the only Jesus could do that routine don't it? Only Jesus could ascend into heaven because he only he was born of heaven ? Nope , and Enoch helped Jesus while he was in the hell realms , gave him some keys that he needed that were entrusted to David..... Case closed. Immaculate.
Last edited by Rabbi Dakota; 04-14-2010 at 11:06 PM..
I am not denying, the divinity of Jesus nor his being Son of God. If You read my post in Christian Morality, page 23 number 226, You will find my explanation of the virginal birth, the resurrection and other unusual events narrated in The Holy Bible. More threads will follow, hoping for Your generous help.
This opening thread is directed at the apostle Paul's statement about Jesus' blood relation with King David and about the declaration of "son of God" after the resurrection.
Versicles are the paragraphs or sentences that appear in The Bible signaled with a number that identifies them. Usually, the Book, the chapter and the number identify a versicle, for example:Mark chapter 4 versicle 22 "For there is nothing hid which shall not be manifested..."
The only seed Joseph and Mary and the line of Spiritual Fathers King David even back to Adam was the Seed of Spiritual Authority of faith for Heaven to bring Jesus into being, there was No seed from Joseph or Mary....... In the word Luke 1:35 ``The Holy Spirit shall come upon you and the power of the Highest shall over shadow you therefore also that holy things which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God``....... God is the flesh that gave life to Jesus, there is no other account that says that Joseph and Mary gave any seed. You either believe the miracles of the Lord God and believe the Word of God or you make up your own account for yourself.......
Nagib, I'm just going to answer the question posed in the title of your thread, and skip the rest for now. Yes, God was really the Father of Jesus.
I did not write the epistle to the romans nor other expressions mentioned. It was Paul. All humans may become sons of GOD unless they choose evil instead of good. GOD's power that goes beyond our understanding, can make a virgin give birth, raise the dead, create or destroy the world. Yes,
I agree with You that GOD was really the Father of Jesus. He was also the Father of Peter, Paul, John and possibly yours or mine.
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