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Old 04-19-2010, 08:27 AM
 
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Matthew 11 28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
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Old 04-19-2010, 11:11 AM
 
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because I believe that free will is one of the greatest gifts God ever gave us.
What verse says this ?
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Old 04-19-2010, 11:13 AM
 
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Matthew 11 28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."


Jesus is speaking to a specific people here, those who are burdened and heavy laden.

This was not a call to all.
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Old 04-19-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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Jesus is speaking to a specific people here, those who are burdened and heavy laden.

This was not a call to all.
All sinners are burdened and heaven laden. It is a call to everyone who has an ear to hear.

Matthew 11:25-30 (New King James Version)

Jesus Gives True Rest


25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. 26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. 28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Matthew Henry on the passage:

11:25-30 "It becomes children to be grateful. When we come to God as a Father, we must remember that he is Lord of heaven and earth, which obliges us to come to him with reverence as to the sovereign Lord of all; yet with confidence, as one able to defend us from evil, and to supply us with all good.

Our blessed Lord added a remarkable declaration, that the Father had delivered into his hands all power, authority, and judgment. We are indebted to Christ for all the revelation we have of God the Father's will and love, ever since Adam sinned. Our Saviour has invited all that labour and are heavy-laden, to come unto him. In some senses all men are so.

"Worldly men burden themselves with fruitless cares for wealth and honours; the gay and the sensual labour in pursuit of pleasures; the slave of Satan and his own lusts, is the merest drudge on earth. Those who labour to establish their own righteousness also labour in vain. The convinced sinner is heavy-laden with guilt and terror; and the tempted and afflicted believer has labours and burdens."

Christ invites all to come to him for rest to their souls. He alone gives this invitation; men come to him, when, feeling their guilt and misery, and believing his love and power to help, they seek him in fervent prayer. Thus it is the duty and interest of weary and heavy-laden sinners, to come to Jesus Christ. This is the gospel call; Whoever will, let him come. All who thus come will receive rest as Christ's gift, and obtain peace and comfort in their hearts."

But in coming to him they must take his yoke, and submit to his authority. They must learn of him all things, as to their comfort and obedience. He accepts the willing servant, however imperfect the services. Here we may find rest for our souls, and here only. Nor need we fear his yoke. His commandments are holy, just, and good. It requires self-denial, and exposes to difficulties, but this is abundantly repaid, even in this world, by inward peace and joy. It is a yoke that is lined with love.

So powerful are the assistances he gives us, so suitable the encouragements, and so strong the consolations to be found in the way of duty, that we may truly say, it is a yoke of pleasantness. The way of duty is the way of rest. The truths Christ teaches are such as we may venture our souls upon. Such is the Redeemer's mercy; and why should the labouring and burdened sinner seek for rest from any other quarter?

Let us come to him daily, for deliverance from wrath and guilt, from sin and Satan, from all our cares, fears, and sorrows. But forced obedience, far from being easy and light, is a heavy burden. In vain do we draw near to Jesus with our lips, while the heart is far from him. Then come to Jesus to find rest for your souls.
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Old 04-19-2010, 12:01 PM
 
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All sinners are burdened and heaven laden
What scripture says that ?
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Old 04-19-2010, 12:03 PM
 
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airo:



What scripture says that ?
the ones that say we all fall short of the glory of God and the like. we are were all condemned, and it's only by the grace of God that we are saved. Please read Matthew Henry's commentary.
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Old 04-19-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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the ones that say we all fall short of the glory of God and the like. we are were all condemned, and it's only by the grace of God that we are saved. Please read Matthew Henry's commentary.
Are you going to show me a scripture that says all sinners are burdened, or should i take your word for it ?
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Old 04-19-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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What verse says this ?
What verse says this? I can't give you a single solitary verse that says it, any more than you can give me a single solitary verse that says the opposite. I don't believe we can take two or three verses out of the Bible and build an entire theology around them. The Bible is so full of passages calling us to Christ that it makes no sense whatsoever to me to think that they are directed towards people who really have no choice as to whether to respond to the call. The thought that God decided who He would save and who He would damn before any of us even had a chance at mortality is absolutely repugnant to me. I'm sorry, that's just the way it is.

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Old 04-19-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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Are you going to show me a scripture that says all sinners are burdened, or should i take your word for it ?
reread the text in Matthew 11. saying the text is not meant for all sinners is like saying only Nicodemus has to be born again because Jesus was only specifically talking to him.
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Old 04-19-2010, 12:34 PM
 
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reread the text in Matthew 11. saying the text is not meant for all sinners is like saying only Nicodemus has to be born again because Jesus was only specifically talking to him.
Jesus said to all that were burdened and heavy ladened to come, not for all to come.

matt 11:28

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Now can you please show us what scripture says that all sinners are sensible like this.
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