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Old 04-15-2010, 02:13 PM
 
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Come to Christ, come to Him, with nothing in your hands, it's time to give up on self:


YouTube - What is Salvation? (In 2 Minutes) - Paul Washer

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Old 04-17-2010, 10:14 AM
 
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Luke 9 23Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. 24For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. 25What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self? 26If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:19 PM
 
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Jn 6:

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day

65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:22 PM
 
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Jn 6:

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day

65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
So it sort of sounds like you're saying we can't come to Christ, that the matter is out of our hands. Because if we believe, we haven't really chosen to believe? If we repent, we haven't really chosen to repent? Am I understanding you correctly?
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Old 04-18-2010, 12:19 AM
 
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The video is rather obvious what is meant by "Come to Christ". Too bad that those who ask questions probably never watched it. And then again... maybe they don't because either:

Romans 9:18
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

or

Ephesians 4:18
They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.

June......want an answer to "what is a doomed June to do?" why not watch it.

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Old 04-18-2010, 12:57 AM
 
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So it sort of sounds like you're saying we can't come to Christ
Looks more like Christ words to me.
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Old 04-18-2010, 07:59 PM
 
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humans are evil. none of us are righteous, none of us are good. it is only by God's GRACE we are saved. it is not for our sake, but for His glory.

nevertheless, we all must run to Christ. and we will all bow to Him one day, it's just that some will do so voluntarily, and some will be forced to. you don't want to be forced to, so come to Him now while you still can! run to Him!
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:58 PM
 
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Looks more like Christ words to me.
Okay, well lets look at some more of Christ's words:

Luke 11:9-10 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find;knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him thatknocketh it shall be opened.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

I believe that Christ will open the door to anyone who seeks Him and that He wants all of us to. Do you believe that, too, or do you believe that Christ really doesn't want some of us after all?

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Old 04-19-2010, 12:07 AM
 
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Okay, well lets look at some more of Christ's words:

Luke 11:9-10 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find;knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him thatknocketh it shall be opened.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

I believe that Christ will open the door to anyone who seeks Him and that He wants all of us to. Do you believe that, too, or do you believe that Christ really doesn't want some of us after all?
None of those nullify what Christ said earlier. No Man can come to Him unless the Father draws Him, that pretty much eliminates freewill.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:03 AM
 
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None of those nullify what Christ said earlier. No Man can come to Him unless the Father draws Him, that pretty much eliminates freewill.
Okay, well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, because I believe that free will is one of the greatest gifts God ever gave us. I can't imagine why God would even have bothered with this whole mortality thing if He hadn't given us free will. But, each to his own...
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