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Old 05-14-2010, 05:30 AM
 
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Thank you for your understanding. While we are clearly at that point of every religious argument when you have exhausted logic and opinions rest on faith. Thanks again for the respectful conversation. I clearly see that you have a kind heart and that's 90% of the battle. (Oops, I hope I didn't just inspire another works/faith thread, lol)
you've recognized your need for authority?
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Old 05-14-2010, 07:47 AM
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Clearly it does to a Catholic. Hey, I have no problem with you guys believing that Peter transferred his authority to the first Pope. I don't believe it ever happened, but I admire the fact that you at least recognize the need for authority.
And by the way, Peter was our first pope. Peter transferred his Authority to the second pope.
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Old 05-14-2010, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Hagerman, Idaho
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If you can follow the RCC after reading the Council of Nicea and the Council of Leodicea, it would be very sad indeed. There is enough antisemetic sentiment, and anti Hebraic teaching and following being stated in their Canon's to sink a battleship. I can assure you if the Messiah were alive at the time HE would have wiped the table as clean and swore as much as HE did when he saw the money changers buying and trading on the Sabbath. It is the most condemning piece of known historic literature out there. If you choose to accept it or deny it's absurdity it only speaks poorly of anyone who would tolerate it. It is condemnation of the very thing that the Messiah believed in and taught. How very sad indeed...
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Old 05-14-2010, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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And by the way, Peter was our first pope. Peter transferred his Authority to the second pope.
Whatever...

Irenaes wrote, in about 180 AD, that Peter "founded and organised" the Church at Rome. Whether that is an accurate statement or not, Peter never held the title of Pope. The title was not used at that time, so he couldn't have. There are a lot of problems when you posthumously give someone a title he never held.
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Old 05-14-2010, 06:01 PM
 
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And by the way, Peter was our first pope. Peter transferred his Authority to the second pope.
And what scriptural text do you have for that assertion?
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:04 AM
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And what scriptural text do you have for that assertion?
Here's some text:
Origins of Peter as Pope
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:16 AM
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Whatever...

Irenaes wrote, in about 180 AD, that Peter "founded and organised" the Church at Rome. Whether that is an accurate statement or not, Peter never held the title of Pope. The title was not used at that time, so he couldn't have. There are a lot of problems when you posthumously give someone a title he never held.
Peter never holding the title of "Pope" is correct. But his function was exactly the same. The term came later, but the job is the same. Peter was the Bishop of Rome or the Vicar of Christ. The meaning of the word "pope" is simply an affectionate word for father. "Papa in latin or "pappas" in Greek.

Because the job Peter held is the same as held by the Pope today and every pope between Peter and Pope Benedict XVI, Catholics consider him the first pope.
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:44 AM
 
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Because the job Peter held is the same as held by the Pope today and every pope between Peter and Pope Benedict XVI, Catholics consider him the first pope.
I know you do, but I don't, and I don't believe the job he held is the same as is held by the Pope today. I believe that the job he held is the same as is held by a living Prophet today. I guess we're not going to agree on that one, juj.
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:52 AM
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I know you do, but I don't, and I don't believe the job he held is the same as is held by the Pope today. I believe that the job he held is the same as is held by a living Prophet today. I guess we're not going to agree on that one, juj.
Don't you ever go to bed? I didn't expect a reply until tomorrow. lol.

Agreeing with your view on that one? No.

Good Night!
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Don't you ever go to bed? I didn't expect a reply until tomorrow. lol.

Agreeing with your view on that one? No.

Good Night!
Well, I'm on Mountain Daylight Time so it's just barely midnight. And it's Saturday tomorrow, so I can sleep in! Yea! Goodnight, juj.
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