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Jesus Prayed to His Father God in John 17:21 .``Pray I for these done but for them also which shall believe on me through their word ...that they all may be one as thou father are in me and I in you that they also may be one in us that the world may believe that you have sent me``.... Jesus prays for unity in the Spirit for perfect harmony of goodness,.... If you went to Heaven to see Jesus today He could be right in the Father God in the Spirit, you could not see the Father God, but Jesus would come right out of him and he is one with the Lord and in omni present throughout, see there is no space in the Spirit. and Holy Spirit is the presence of the Lord God in the world in on the anointed Children of God and also one with the Father God one in the Spirit......The trinity in no panthesism like Hindu religions where there are a god of this and a god of that with many diffrent purposes. The trinity has one purpose and one authority, one faith, and for believers one baptism to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, no other religous belief system in the world believes in a Son of God and the ideas will blapheme them all. because the truth on the Lord God is enemy to the devil ..... The Children of God who have passed and gone to be with the Lord God are also one in the Spirit with the Lord God , even the Lord Gods Angels who are not personally need of the Blood of Jesus Christ are enhanced by the Blood of Jesus and are also one wiith the Lord God .......Heaven is one for all and all for one......
None of those verses have anything to do with the Triune nature of God...those are regarding the Gospel and Faith...In what way is one saved?...Through Faith in Jesus Christ...Not Faith in the Doctrine of the Trinity...
A saving faith has to believe in the true God. God never used the word "Trinity" but nevertheless that is who God is. It is based on the fact that in various places in the Bible
The LORD is my light and my salvationPsalm 27:1 For with you is the fountain of life; in your light we see light Psalm 36:9
Jesus calls himself "light"
John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
So it is not surprising then that demonic teaching from uses "light"
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light
What are thing things taught by demons and Satan who masquerades as "light" ?
God is not triune
Jesus is not God
You can become a god...even of your own planet
Sin is not accountable
You don't need faith to enter heaven
everybody goes to heaven
Faith and works...not by faith alone
Repentance is conditional
What was revealed (OT & NT) wasn't enough, another revelation was required
The message of Satan who masquerades is evil.
We are commanded to Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Romans 12:9
I hate the message of Satan.
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Could you define "essence," Mike? It's the word I seem to have the hardest time with, since I can't find either it or the word "substance" (which is also often used) in the scriptures. For a word that is used so often by Trinitarians, I would expect to see either it or an explanation of it somewhere in the Bible. I mean, I know that the Bible tells us that the Father and the Son are "one." But how are they one? That's what doesn't make sense to me, and I think it's mostly because I don't think of God as an essence or a substance. (I would also kind of appreciate your sticking to plain English. Greek philosophical thought just doesn't click in my head.)
Could you define "essence," Mike? It's the word I seem to have the hardest time with, since I can't find either it or the word "substance" (which is also often used) in the scriptures. For a word that is used so often by Trinitarians, I would expect to see either it or an explanation of it somewhere in the Bible. I mean, I know that the Bible tells us that the Father and the Son are "one." But how are they one? That's what doesn't make sense to me, and I think it's mostly because I don't think of God as an essence or a substance. (I would also kind of appreciate your sticking to plain English. Greek philosophical thought just doesn't click in my head.)
The essence of God refers to His character or makeup and consists of His attributes such as His Sovereignty, omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, eternal life, justice, righteousness, love, veracity, and immutability. Each member of the Godhead possesses in equal measure these same attributes. In the thread below, I have given the verses for each of these attributes of God.
He can't be and He isn't. Furthermore, He didn't come here to do all He sent Himself to do, either. Nor did He pray to Himself, forsake Himself on the cross, commend Himself into His own Hands or ascend to Himself in Heaven. He is not His own Father or His own God, and He does not sit on His own right hand side today.
Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
Why would God say "us" and "our"?
You mean why did the writer write that God said us and our?
Why three? Us and our could mean 50 or 3 or 87 or 299883.... why 3?
Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
Why would God say "us" and "our"?
Maybe because He was speaking to His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. What's your point?
The essence of God refers to His character or makeup and consists of His attributes such as His Sovereignty, omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, eternal life, justice, righteousness, love, veracity, and immutability. Each member of the Godhead possesses in equal measure these same attributes.
Okay, so you seem to be referring to non-physical attributes, and not a physical substance of some sort. I can go along with this.
God is three in Persons and one in essence. When the essence of God is being talked about God is said to be one. When the Persons of the Godhead are being talked about God is said to be three.
I'm actually kind of surprised that my belief is as close to yours as it is. I just don't use the words essence or Trinity. I would agree with you that in terms of their divine qualities and attributes, the three members of the Godhead are "one." But what I have never heard a Trinitarian say until now is, "When the Persons of the Godhead are being talked about, God is said to be three." I'm with you all the way up until you posted the math: 1+1+1=1. That part I don't buy into.
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What's your point?
