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Old 04-20-2010, 07:21 PM
 
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Why do you think Jesus is now spirit? He ascended into Heaven in bodily form, as a glorified, immortal, resurrected being. When do you believe He got rid of His body?
Got rid of? ........ what I believe is that the resurrected can manifest a body they choose that is seem in this physical realm but where Jesus ascended to was not in this dimension - not just into our outer space within this universe --- where God is, is in another dimension all together -the physical world that we see and touch is reality to us but from Gods perspective it is dust.
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:23 PM
 
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This is an excellent visual - hope it helps our OP!

Water in different forms: liquid, solid or gas

God in different forms: Father, son and holy spirit
Except that water cannot be all three states at once as we see the "trinity" is when Jesus is baptized.... so it really doesn't work at all.
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:45 PM
 
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As one who believes the doctrine of the trinity, I would love to be able to articulate it. But I can't.
Furthermore, I have yet to hear one that adequately describes it myself.
It would seem that our language is limited here. Like trying to explain a color to a blind person. There is no point of reference other than the experience.
One explanation that may come remotely close is this;
If one believes ( as I do ) that God is Love, doesn't Love require relationship?
And if God existed always, and before creation, what was the "relationship'?
Who or what, did God love? Nothing created, that's for sure.

I began by accepting the doctrine on faith. All meditaions on the trinity that have followed have been profound. And I think I'm able to discern that the experience bore good fruit. However, at any time during my meditation, I allowed my mind to try and articulate that which the spirit seemed to grasp, the spirit faded.

It would appear that it defies explanation.
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:58 PM
 
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Why do you think Jesus is now spirit? He ascended into Heaven in bodily form, as a glorified, immortal, resurrected being. When do you believe He got rid of His body?
As Deity Jesus Christ is Spirit. In His humanity he of course has a resurrected body. Jesus Christ is both eternal and infinite God and true humanity in one Person. He is the unique Person of the universe. This is His hypostatic union. He is the God-Man.

At the same time that Jesus in His humanity was a baby in the cradle, He was eternal God holding the universe together.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:05 PM
 
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As Deity Jesus Christ is Spirit. In His humanity he of course has a resurrected body. Jesus Christ is both eternal and infinite God and true humanity in one Person. He is the unique Person of the universe. This is His hypostatic union. He is the God-Man.

At the same time that Jesus in His humanity was a baby in the cradle, He was eternal God holding the universe together.

Well said
No duality. Perfectly human, and perfectly divine.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:10 PM
 
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I asked Meerkat this, but I'll ask you too... When do you believe Jesus got rid of the body of flesh and bones He had after His resurrection, with which He ascended into Heaven and with which He said He would return to Earth? I have always been of the impression that even Trinitarians believe that Jesus Christ now has a physical body -- although no longer a mortal one. Are you saying that if you were to go to Heaven right now, you would not be in the presence of a Being you could see and touch? Or did I misunderstand you? I mean, I believe that they are all spirit, too. But a spirit is a life force which can either inhabit a body or not. In my opinion, a spirit can either exist within or outside of a body.
Actually, I answered this in post #74, but I'll answer it here as well. Jesus Christ is the unique Person of the universe. He is the God-Man. He is both eternal and infinite God and as such, He is Spirit. He is also true humanity and as such He possesses a glorified resurrected body. This is the hypostatic union of Christ. Two different natures in one Person from the time of His coming into the world at His first advent throughout all of eternity future.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:36 PM
 
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Actually, I answered this in post #74, but I'll answer it here as well. Jesus Christ is the unique Person of the universe. He is the God-Man. He is both eternal and infinite God and as such, He is Spirit. He is also true humanity and as such He possesses a glorified resurrected body. This is the hypostatic union of Christ. Two different natures in one Person from the time of His coming into the world at His first advent throughout all of eternity future.
There is no "God the Son" only "the Son of God". There is no "God the Holy Spirit" only "The Holy Spirit of God".

Backwards phrasing, the doctrines of men made into orthodoxy by the politically ambitious to unify a splintered empire, upheld to this day by the spiritually blind who march straight into religious ruts and roll off into ditches of stagnation.

And when I try to pull them out they generally bite my hand.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:02 PM
 
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As Deity Jesus Christ is Spirit. In His humanity he of course has a resurrected body. Jesus Christ is both eternal and infinite God and true humanity in one Person. He is the unique Person of the universe. This is His hypostatic union. He is the God-Man.

At the same time that Jesus in His humanity was a baby in the cradle, He was eternal God holding the universe together.

Well said.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:03 PM
 
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As Deity Jesus Christ is Spirit. In His humanity he of course has a resurrected body. Jesus Christ is both eternal and infinite God and true humanity in one Person. He is the unique Person of the universe. This is His hypostatic union. He is the God-Man.

At the same time that Jesus in His humanity was a baby in the cradle, He was eternal God holding the universe together.
I agree with twin, GREAT post!!!! AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Jesus is NOT the Father. The Father is Spirit - His Spirit is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the very BEING of the Father Himself. Jesus has His Father's Being inside of Him.
That doesn't make any sense to me at all. If the Father's Spirit is the Holy Spirit, then God the Father and the Holy Ghost are synonyms, and we don't have a Trinity at all! We have a Father (aka the Holy Ghost) and a Son, that's all.
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