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Old 04-18-2010, 07:23 AM
 
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Can someone please, please try and legitimately explain how your jesus can also be his own father? This whole "father, son and holy spirit" as one being Moderator cut: insulting comments are deleted

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Old 04-18-2010, 07:42 AM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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It's called the "Trinity" and they are three separate beings who make up the Godhead. Its' really not that hard to understand. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Of course, we won't fully understand how it works until we die.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Can someone please, please try and legitimately explain how your jesus can also be his own father? This whole "father, son and holy spirit" as one being Moderator cut: Orphaned
He can't be and He isn't. Furthermore, He didn't come here to do all He sent Himself to do, either. Nor did He pray to Himself, forsake Himself on the cross, commend Himself into His own Hands or ascend to Himself in Heaven. He is not His own Father or His own God, and He does not sit on His own right hand side today.

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:50 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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There is only two reactions to the truth of the Trinity:
  1. believe it because he is of God...that is part of the fruit of the Spirit
  2. does not believe it because it's foolishness
1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Trinity is what seperates the True Christian Church from the false.

1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:54 AM
 
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Alienating people is not a fruit of the spirit.
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Not being able to understand something is a sign it isn't quite right.... especially when the only explanation is that it is not understandable...
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:13 AM
 
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The Trinity is what seperates the True Christian Church from the false.
That really puts the pre-Nicene Creed Christians in a bad spot.
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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That really puts the pre-Nicene Creed Christians in a bad spot.
How they had the audacity to make a doctrine that cannot be defended is beyond me. I have had multiple discussions on this matter and the only proof offered is "gods ways are not understandable to men."

Psalm 32:9 Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not come to you.

Proverbs 1:22 How long, O naive ones, will you love being simple-minded? And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing And fools hate knowledge?

Scripture calls the one without understanding: a fool, naive, like a horse or mule, simple-minded.... need I say more?

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Old 04-18-2010, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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How they had the audacity to make a doctrine that cannot be defended is beyond me.
I know, but you have to stop and consider who "they" are. The Emperor Constantine, who was at that time, not even a Christian himself, called the council. He called it for political purposes. Period. He didn't care about the nature of God. The vote could have gone either way as far as he was concerned. All he wanted was a united empire, and as long as the Christians couldn't agree on things among themselves, he wasn't going to have one. The council wasn't even called by the Pope. I could be wrong about this, but if my memory serves me, the Pope wasn't even in attendance. (Not that I think the Pope has any more right than anyone else to define God. It just seems to me that a matter of such serious consequence would have been called by the head of the Church on the earth at that time.) So how they had the audacity to come up with the doctrine is not my only concern. I find it far more troublesome to think that a doctrine that would forever more be a core doctrine of traditional Christianity was resolved after debate, denouncements, threats of exile and a majority vote. Was the hand of God really involved in that process?

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I have had multiple discussions on this matter and the only proof offered is "gods ways are not understandable to men."
It's true that we cannot possibly understand God. I have often compared my own understanding of God to my dogs understanding of me. They don't know what I'm doing when I'm sitting here at my computer hour after hour. They don't know where I go when I spend hours and hours a day away from them. They don't have a clue about where the food the get comes from. As far as they know, they never existed prior to when they came to live with me, and they have no idea in the world that they will ever die. I like to think they're smart, but they really can't even begin to compare to me. I think it's like that with respect to how ability to comprehend God. On the other hand -- and this is really the point I want to make -- God wants us to know Him. He wants us to understand Him to the extent we can. We (i.e. our Creeds, etc.) have made Him a far greater mystery, far less knowable and approachable, far more distant than I would ever have wanted us to.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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It's called the "Trinity" and they are three separate beings who make up the Godhead. Its' really not that hard to understand. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Of course, we won't fully understand how it works until we die.
Have you ever heard of the Tri-state of water?...it can be a gas, liquid and solid all at the same instance...if i remember my chemestry, it is called the zero point...
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