What exactly IS willfull sin?...Well, one example is...any deliberate lie is a willfull sin. (Gospel, punishment)
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There are no "white lies" there is just truth and not truth. Any deliberate lie is a willful sin. Will God kill a believer for one lie? Absolutely! Ask Ananias and Sapphira (Acts Chapter 5)
In any discussion, we must be very careful to define sin exactly as the Scriptures define sin.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
The law John is referring to is the Ten Commandments. There are ten categories of sin - and to commit sin we must transgress one of those commandments. God does not distinguish between the categories as greater or lessor.
That is why James wrote:
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
There is one law with ten categories - transgress any one of them and you have broken the Law. Greater or lessor sin is not a qualification.
However, God does distinguish between sins of ignorance (unintentional, error,) and willful (rebellion) sins.
We may make many errors and if that is what we mean when we say "slip" then we might slip several times a day.
But if by "slip" we mean deliberately transgressing a known law of God - as in saying: I know this is sin but I am going to do it anyway - that is rebellion and will bring death to those who have "received the knowledge of the truth."
Those who have received the knowledge of the truth understand that - therefore God is just to destroy them if they sin willfully because they have not just slipped or made an error - they have spit upon the blood of the covenant by which they were sanctified and outraged the Spirit of grace by rejecting obedience to God's law and deliberately committing sin.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Of course that does not refer to people who are spiritually immature and are just learning - they may commit many sins before they reach true repentance.
There are no "white lies" there is just truth and not truth. Any deliberate lie is a willful sin. Will God kill a believer for one lie? Absolutely! Ask Ananias and Sapphira (Acts Chapter 5)
In any discussion, we must be very careful to define sin exactly as the Scriptures define sin.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
The law John is referring to is the Ten Commandments. There are ten categories of sin - and to commit sin we must transgress one of those commandments. God does not distinguish between the categories as greater or lessor.
That is why James wrote:
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
There is one law with ten categories - transgress any one of them and you have broken the Law. Greater or lessor sin is not a qualification.
However, God does distinguish between sins of ignorance (unintentional, error,) and willful (rebellion) sins.
We may make many errors and if that is what we mean when we say "slip" then we might slip several times a day.
But if by "slip" we mean deliberately transgressing a known law of God - as in saying: I know this is sin but I am going to do it anyway - that is rebellion and will bring death to those who have "received the knowledge of the truth."
Those who have received the knowledge of the truth understand that - therefore God is just to destroy them if they sin willfully because they have not just slipped or made an error - they have spit upon the blood of the covenant by which they were sanctified and outraged the Spirit of grace by rejecting obedience to God's law and deliberately committing sin.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Of course that does not refer to people who are spiritually immature and are just learning - they may commit many sins before they reach true repentance.
God Bless,
Verna.
If you don't mind... I have a question for you..
If an intruder enters your home and you kill him.. is that willful sin or accidental sin?
Not to detract from katjonjj's question, but sin is part of our carnal nature. Unless the transformation from our life to His has been completed, there is darkness.
The only way to be released from sin is to die - not literally, but experientially through the power of the cross. The resurrection life of Christ is holy, but our flesh will never be - even if we dress it up in pretty clothes.
Not to detract from katjonjj's question, but sin is part of our carnal nature. Unless the transformation from our life to His has been completed, there is darkness.
The only way to be released from sin is to die - not literally, but experientially through the power of the cross. The resurrection life of Christ is holy, but our flesh will never be - even if we dress it up in pretty clothes.
No worries... My question is more along the lines of... if there are no "white" lies... are there "white" murders?
The idea that there are instances, depending upon the situation, that justify going against any of the Ten Commandments...in this case, murder, seems to be based upon the concept of situation ethics. That there are no moral absolutes - that which seems right in a certain situation is right even if it contradicts Gods law.
You asked:
>If an intruder enters your home and you kill him.. is that willful sin or accidental sin?
The simple answer is a rhetorical question back at you....
Would Jesus kill him?
My responsibility lies in obeying God. We all live or die by the providence of God.
Once those clear moral lines get muddled by situation ethics where do we draw the line? Can we lie to save a life? Can we steal to save a life? Can we commit adultery to save a life?
The idea that there are instances, depending upon the situation, that justify going against any of the Ten Commandments...in this case, murder, seems to be based upon the concept of situation ethics. That there are no moral absolutes - that which seems right in a certain situation is right even if it contradicts Gods law.
You asked:
>If an intruder enters your home and you kill him.. is that willful sin or accidental sin?
The simple answer is a rhetorical question back at you....
Would Jesus kill him?
My responsibility lies in obeying God. We all live or die by the providence of God.
Once those clear moral lines get muddled by situation ethics where do we draw the line? Can we lie to save a life? Can we steal to save a life? Can we commit adultery to save a life?
OK.. I asked because another poster just told me that there are allowances in the Law for acts committed in self-defense... but that got me to thinking that even in self-defense there are alternatives to killing aren't there?
I have never been in that position before so I really can't say what I would do but I do know that anytime I am on the verge of committing a sin against my neighbor, I know ahead of time (in that split second) that it is a sin. So I am thinking that even in self-defense we have some aim.... I could aim the gun at his heart (in anger IMO) or I could aim it at his legs (to stop him from hurting me).
Now if you aren't a good shot I guess it wouldn't matter.
Seriously though, I have been pondering this so I am glad you wrote this thread but I don't want to deviate from the topic which is why I asked if you minded. But if you feel it is the topic, then I'd like to talk about it.
I feel that if I killed a person in my home in self defense that I would still have sinned and fallen short. I could have deliberately tried to maim him or scare him off... but in doing so my fear may have been that I would be at more risk of getting hurt myself.
It seems as if there is a dilemma there. Some say if I willfully commit a sin after having received the gospel then I can never go back to being saved.. there is no more sacrifice for sin.
But yet I would be willingly committing murder to save myself from harm.
So are there "white" murders, for example?
EDIT: Oh and as for the WWJD question.... No I don't think Jesus would have killed to save his own life or he would not have stopped his disciples from fighting for him, he even told them to bring swords. (Luke 22, John 18).
OK.. I asked because another poster just told me that there are allowances in the Law for acts committed in self-defense... but that got me to thinking that even in self-defense there are alternatives to killing aren't there?
I have never been in that position before so I really can't say what I would do but I do know that anytime I am on the verge of committing a sin against my neighbor, I know ahead of time (in that split second) that it is a sin. So I am thinking that even in self-defense we have some aim.... I could aim the gun at his heart (in anger IMO) or I could aim it at his legs (to stop him from hurting me).
Now if you aren't a good shot I guess it wouldn't matter.
Seriously though, I have been pondering this so I am glad you wrote this thread but I don't want to deviate from the topic which is why I asked if you minded. But if you feel it is the topic, then I'd like to talk about it.
I feel that if I killed a person in my home in self defense that I would still have sinned and fallen short. I could have deliberately tried to maim him or scare him off... but in doing so my fear may have been that I would be at more risk of getting hurt myself.
It seems as if there is a dilemma there. Some say if I willfully commit a sin after having received the gospel then I can never go back to being saved.. there is no more sacrifice for sin.
But yet I would be willingly committing murder to save myself from harm.
So are there "white" murders, for example?
EDIT: Oh and as for the WWJD question.... No I don't think Jesus would have killed to save his own life or he would not have stopped his disciples from fighting for him, he even told them to bring swords. (Luke 22, John 18).
I would say it is the same as in war. Killing for protection is not murder.
OK.. I asked because another poster just told me that there are allowances in the Law for acts committed in self-defense... but that got me to thinking that even in self-defense there are alternatives to killing aren't there?
I have never been in that position before so I really can't say what I would do but I do know that anytime I am on the verge of committing a sin against my neighbor, I know ahead of time (in that split second) that it is a sin. So I am thinking that even in self-defense we have some aim.... I could aim the gun at his heart (in anger IMO) or I could aim it at his legs (to stop him from hurting me).
Now if you aren't a good shot I guess it wouldn't matter.
Seriously though, I have been pondering this so I am glad you wrote this thread but I don't want to deviate from the topic which is why I asked if you minded. But if you feel it is the topic, then I'd like to talk about it.
I feel that if I killed a person in my home in self defense that I would still have sinned and fallen short. I could have deliberately tried to maim him or scare him off... but in doing so my fear may have been that I would be at more risk of getting hurt myself.
It seems as if there is a dilemma there. Some say if I willfully commit a sin after having received the gospel then I can never go back to being saved.. there is no more sacrifice for sin.
But yet I would be willingly committing murder to save myself from harm.
So are there "white" murders, for example?
EDIT: Oh and as for the WWJD question.... No I don't think Jesus would have killed to save his own life or he would not have stopped his disciples from fighting for him, he even told them to bring swords. (Luke 22, John 18).
Any supposition which requires that Jesus would lie, steal, commit adultery or murder in any situation must be wrong.
say you get trapped into a corner and lie to someone?
Or say you see something online that arouses you and end up looking at porn?
Yes, both are deliberate. Obviously, I don't think you should do these things, knowing in the back of your head that all you have to do is pray for forgiveness.
But what do you do? You know the Lord and you literally slip? Pray for forgiveness and strength to not do it again... but then it happens again later on?
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