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Old 07-17-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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I receive it just fine.
You think you do. Can you say with me Deceived ?
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Old 07-17-2011, 01:32 PM
 
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myst:
You think you do. Can you say with me Deceived ?
Can you say with me . . . in Denial? Do you perhaps have a better translation of the verse that says "Father forgive (those who believe in me) because they know not what they do" Are you suggesting that the ones who scourged and crucified Jesus were believers in Him?
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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Present every Man Perfect in Christ !

Col 1:28

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Before God created the world, the Earth, it was Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:8-11

8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

It was His Eternal Purpose to Present every man Perfect through Christ, not Adam !

Adam was purposed to sin against God in order that he himself and his seed would be presented perfect in Christ.
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Old 08-10-2011, 04:15 AM
 
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Adam's curse was bad, but Christs's Blessing is going to overtake it all! "Where sin abounded, grace did much more abound."

How many Christians truly can believe that declaration??


Blessings,
Brian

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Present every Man Perfect in Christ !

Col 1:28

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Before God created the world, the Earth, it was Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:8-11

8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

It was His Eternal Purpose to Present every man Perfect through Christ, not Adam !

Adam was purposed to sin against God in order that he himself and his seed would be presented perfect in Christ.
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Old 08-10-2011, 04:21 AM
 
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God took a man (Adam) and created a woman that disobeyed and brought forth cursing and death which spread to all mankind.

Then God took a woman (Mary) and created a Man that obeyed and brought forth blessing and Life which spread to all mankind.

Hallelujah!!

Praise God!!

Blessings,
Brian
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:36 AM
 
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God took a man (Adam) and created a woman that disobeyed and brought forth cursing and death which spread to all mankind.

Then God took a woman (Mary) and created a Man that obeyed and brought forth blessing and Life which spread to all mankind.

Hallelujah!!

Praise God!!

Blessings,
Brian
Christ death did not bring Life to the serpents seed, the children of the devil ! The serpents seed did not sin in Adam, but in the devil !
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:37 AM
 
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Christ death did not bring Life to the serpents seed, the children of the devil ! The serpents seed did not sin in Adam, but in the devil !
The serpent has no seed. The serpent is just another name for the flesh, or Adamic nature. See Job ch. 1-2.

Blessings in Christ,
Brian
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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Christ death did not bring Life to the serpents seed, the children of the devil ! The serpents seed did not sin in Adam, but in the devil !
Here is your serpent and it is in everyone . . . it is our limbic system (reptilian brain) trying to satisfy our needs. But it cannot discriminate between Good or Evil ways of doing so. We have to discriminate for it.
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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The serpent has no seed.
Tell that to God Gen 3:14-15

14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:06 PM
 
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....Adam was purposed to sin against God in order that he himself and his seed would be presented perfect in Christ.
There is another way to look at this....

Adam ate the fruit, knowing full well the penalty would be 'death'!

The command 'not' to eat from a certain tree was given to Adam, before Eve was created. God did not give this command to Eve. So, Eve, even though she 'knew about the command' she ate and gave some fruit to Adam, he ate the fruit believing that his life would pay the penalty for her sin. (Want scripture for this idea...? You may need to read it more than once to see where I am coming from)

Num 30:13-15
13 Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void.
14 But if her husband altogether hold his peace at her from day to day; then he establisheth all her vows, or all her bonds, which are upon her: he confirmeth them, because he held his peace at her in the day that he heard them.
15 But if he shall any ways make them void after that he hath heard them; then he shall bear her iniquity.

Yes, the first Adam is a type/figure of Christ. Even as the first 'earthly man' Adam, gave his life for his wife...so, the 'heavenly man' second Adam, gave His life for his 'bride', the church! (Awesome!)

Rom 5:14
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Peace.......Rkin
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