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Old 04-23-2010, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I have clarified it several times already, yet the word twisting continues.
Perhaps you MIS-clarified it...

Israel was given an infinite number of chances and still is being given chances. As you said, Israel never perished completely. Yet you say that sinners will perish and be tormented for eternity?

The point is that Israel is not a good example of humans perishing AND burning in everlasting fire.

Probably should use a better argument and we would be able to understand more correctly how you are not wrong.
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Old 04-23-2010, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Probably should use a better argument and we would be able to understand more correctly how you are not wrong.
No, if you still don't understand what I meant, you never will. Just let it go. I don't have time for spin and twist games.
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Old 04-23-2010, 10:17 AM
 
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I have clarified it several times already, yet the word twisting continues.
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No, if you still don't understand what I meant, you never will. Just let it go. I don't have time for spin and twist games.

Okay, i am still curious to hear your answer to my questions.

I wrote ...

"So then, those of Israel who rejected Christ and did not believe will not perish, but anyone else who does not believe will perish ... Is that what you are saying?"


And if that is what you are saying ...


"Is God a respecter of persons then? That he should forgive Israel who did not believe, yet not others?""
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Old 04-23-2010, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Okay, i am still curious to hear your answer to my questions.

I wrote ...

"So then, those of Israel who rejected Christ and did not believe will not perish, but anyone else who does not believe will perish ... Is that what you are saying?""

What? Where do you get these ideas? How come you always come in to bicker about some detail about someone's post when you full well know what the poster meant? You insist on disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing. It is very tiresome.
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Old 04-23-2010, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Who are His people?

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Yes He is the propitation for the elect as John states, but also for every sin of all time. His sacrfice was universal atonement....but still.....is this atonement automatic without reverence?

Or is it? What say the scriptures.......who are His People?

Romans 10:13;. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come, And whosoever will, let him take of the water of life freely.

The word "whosoever" is used at least 110 times in the New Testament and always with the unrestricted meaning. It takes faith to be saved, to be His people. Once one recognizes the payment received by Christ through the seed of the gospel in them, he is saved.
The scripture supports this, as it always has.

Universal atonement with a increasing elect.
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Old 04-23-2010, 02:14 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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What? Where do you get these ideas? How come you always come in to bicker about some detail about someone's post when you full well know what the poster meant? You insist on disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing. It is very tiresome.
Finn

Those ideas are coming from what you posted.

Why is Israel an example of what will happen to unbelievers ---- if you say that Israel has not perished?

And how can perishing be the same as being tormented forever
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Old 04-23-2010, 02:27 PM
 
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Faith is from God, not ourselves.
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Old 04-23-2010, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Finn

Those ideas are coming from what you posted.

Why is Israel an example of what will happen to unbelievers ---- if you say that Israel has not perished?

And how can perishing be the same as being tormented forever
You have not comprehended what has been said on this thread and you cling to somethig you think you can disagree about and use against me. You people keep asking "how can loving God do this and that". Well, our loving God has done many things, and some are mentioned on this very thread, the flood for example, and what has happened to Israel on many occations. And he WILL punish unbelievers.

Yes, it is very tiresome having to explain the same things to you guys over and over. Even now that I have explained it for the hundedth time, someone will ask the same questions again and again.

You are defining the word "bicker", "repetition" and the phrase "beating the dead horse".
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Old 04-23-2010, 02:33 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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You have not comprehended what has been said on this thread and you cling to somethig you think you can disagree about and use against me. You people keep asking "how can loving God do this and that". Well, our loving God has done many things, and some are mentioned on this very thread, the flood for example, and what has happened to Israel on many occations. And he WILL punish unbelievers.

Yes, it is very tiresome having to explain the same things to you guys over and over. Even now that I have explained it for the hundedth time, someone will ask the same questions again and again.

You are defining the word "bicker", "repetition" and the phrase "beating the dead horse".
What is resurrection?
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Old 04-23-2010, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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What is resurrection?
It's a little town in Colorado.
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