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Old 04-22-2010, 06:01 AM
 
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I have a question for Catholics. I know that Protestants, for the most part, believe in Sola Scriptura, while Catholics do not. I understand -- in general terms -- that they believe instead in scripture plus holy tradition. What I would like to know is how tradition is established. I mean, as a Mormon, it makes sense to me that there are sources of truth other than the Bible. But how does the Catholic Church go about incorporating holy tradition into its doctrine? I wish I had some specific examples to give you, but the only thing that comes to mind right now are what I believe are known as the Marian doctrines. I'm thinking of things like Mary's immaculate conception, her perpetual virginity, her bodily ascension into Heaven, etc. They seem to have gained "official" status at various times throughout the history of the Church as opposed to having all been believed and practiced from the beginning. I'm wondering why these things would have just become doctrinal hundreds of years after Christ's death. I'm assuming it is "tradition" that they have always been taught, but how is this validated? Did my question make any sense at all?
I'm still a poor typer, and it would take me hours to take a shot at giving your question the time it deserves. However, you could just google the Catholic Encyclopedia. That would be a good start.
However, wouldn't sola scriptura and sola fide, also be considered traditions?
Isn't it said in scripture, that scripture doesn't contain everything? (John:21:25)
I believe we still don't collectively fully understand God's revelation, and that more will be revealed. And that will not come from additional scripture, but from additional understanding and enlightenment.
It seems to me, all faiths and religions have traditions that benefit their respective communities. Catholics are no different.
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Old 04-22-2010, 06:23 AM
 
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I'm still a poor typer, and it would take me hours to take a shot at giving your question the time it deserves. However, you could just google the Catholic Encyclopedia. That would be a good start.
However, wouldn't sola scriptura and sola fide, also be considered traditions?
Isn't it said in scripture, that scripture doesn't contain everything? (John:21:25)
I believe we still don't collectively fully understand God's revelation, and that more will be revealed. And that will not come from additional scripture, but from additional understanding and enlightenment.
It seems to me, all faiths and religions have traditions that benefit their respective communities. Catholics are no different.
There is no John:21:25
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Old 04-22-2010, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Pikeville, Ky.
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There is no John:21:25
I am sure Oakback meant 1John 21:25..Simple typo He said he was a poor typist....

I like that verse..
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Old 04-22-2010, 06:54 AM
 
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John 21:25
25. Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

There is no 1 John 21:25.....
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:28 AM
 
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Yuppers.

I is a pur tiepest
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:38 AM
 
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I have a question for the atheist...
Atheist/nonbelievers are also included in this thread!?

Wow. June's impressed!

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Is there anything at all that would qualify in your mind as god-like? For example, energy is neither created nor destroyed... could energy qualify as god? I always wondered if some of you just don't like the word god as it implies religion....

I hope that made sense.
As to whether there is anything in this atheist's mind that would qualify as 'god-like' in a word June would have to say: No. June's not much into science, so 'energy' doesn't particularly come up on her radar. June has no qualms with the word or concept "god;" it's just that she's never been able to believe in one.

Perhaps any possible answer to the question asked would be derived in a re-framing of it, in terms of asking whether there perhaps exists anything of an experiential nature that might come close to qualifying as that which could point towards a 'god.' --To which June could only say "doubtful, but maybe."

~The process of creativity. Art.

--And possibly certain types of experiential unison.


Take gentle 'thanks for asking' care.
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:38 AM
 
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Yuppers.

I is a pur tiepest
an I is no bible literist..

Sorry about the mistake, I apologize..I do have a habit of relying on an old and fading memory
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:43 AM
 
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an I is no bible literist..

Sorry about the mistake, I apologize..I do have a habit of relying on an old and fading memory
I hear ya.

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Fading eyesight
Fading hearing

and yes, fading memory.

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Old 04-22-2010, 07:44 AM
 
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Yuppers.

I is a pur tiepest
"Thou shalt not type with fingers that have recently handled bacon for purposes of thine own bacon consumption. Thou shalt experience fingers slipping upon the keyboard as a result, thus resulting in typos. Thou shalt only do so when wearing a hot coat."

~(taken from) The Gospel According to June
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:47 AM
 
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I believe we still don't collectively fully understand God's revelation, and that more will be revealed. And that will not come from additional scripture, but from additional understanding and enlightenment.
It seems to me, all faiths and religions have traditions that benefit their respective communities. Catholics are no different.
Exactly!! Additional understanding and enlightenment. I don't think we are growing spiritually if we are not seeking....seeking to understand that which we automatically, because of teaching, reject. We can learn a lot from each other.
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