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Old 04-30-2010, 02:55 PM
 
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You quote him all the time...the universalist?
Don't know him.

 
Old 04-30-2010, 03:05 PM
 
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Don't know him.
Some people have a hard time realizing that some of us are capable of thinking for ourselve and don't need a specific teacher or spokeperson to tell us what to think, Eusebius. They assume you must be parroting what someone else said . . . as they do.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 03:33 PM
 
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Some people have a hard time realizing that some of us are capable of thinking for ourselve and don't need a specific teacher or spokeperson to tell us what to think, Eusebius. They assume you must be parroting what someone else said . . . as they do.
Another baseless accusation......will it ever end?

Psalm 35:20 They do not speak peaceably, but devise false accusations against those who live quietly in the land.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 04:11 PM
 
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You quote him all the time...the universalist?
Maybe if you show the posts of Eusbius where he is quoting AE Koch all the time ......................

It may be another poster who quotes AE Koch.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 04:13 PM
 
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Again, its either Jesus Christ's own words of the words of an internet universliast, so I will go with Jesus Christ.
Me too Finn, I choose the truth of the Bible, God's Word, not UR, a man made feel good kind of religion that is a bunch of lies that misleads people who are not grounded in the Word.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 04:52 PM
 
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Another baseless accusation......will it ever end?
Psalm 35:20 They do not speak peaceably, but devise false accusations against those who live quietly in the land.
Falsely accusing Eusebius of plagiarizing someone he doesn't even know is NOT "living quietly in the land," Finn . . . get real. You and your ilk are doing all the falsely accusing, attacking, judging and condemning. Take a good look in the mirror.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 05:33 PM
 
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Well, actually no one have not established anything about 'hell'. You thought Sheol/Hades was hell, but that is not the case, and the Bible proves it.


Well I am a little confused then, because in the OT in the KJV the ‘Middle English’ word “HELL” is translated from all these occurrences of “sheol”……

Deu_32:22, 2Sa_22:6, Job_11:8, Job_26:6, Psa_9:17, Psa_16:10, Psa_18:5, Psa_55:15, Psa_86:13, Psa_116:3, Psa_139:8, Pro_5:5, Pro_7:27, Pro_9:18, Pro_15:11, Pro_15:24, Pro_23:14, Pro_27:20, Isa_5:14, Isa_14:9, Isa_28:15, Isa_28:18, Isa_57:9, Eze_31:16-17, Eze_32:21, Eze_32:27, Jon_2:2, Hab_2:5

…..and in the NT the same ME word is translated from these occurrences of “hades”….

Mat_11:23, Mat_16:18, Luk_10:15, Luk_16:23, Act_2:27, Act_2:31, Rev_1:18, Rev_6:8, Rev_20:13-14

…..so how can you say that “this is not the case”, when saying that sheol/hades is NOT hell. These ALL are translated ‘hell’. So...

sheol= hell
hades= hell
sheol= hades
so hell=hell.

What I was stating in my post was that I believe that the true definition of Hell (back when they translated it) was….."hell, n. [ME, helle; AS, hell, hell, from helan, to cover, conceal.]"

I am assuming you (again I’m assuming, I don’t know what your beliefs are) that you believe the definition of Hell is… "The abode of condemned souls and devils...the place of eternal punishment for the wicked after death, presided over by Satan…a state of separation from God…a place of evil, misery, discord, or destruction …torment, anguish."

You are correct when you say I don’t believe “hell” exists, if you are promoting the SECOND definition here.

I think maybe you might be confusing sheol/hades with Gehenna which are two totally different things. Or maybe the Lake of Fire being hell, but they too are two totally different things, for ‘hell’ is thrown into the LOF (Rev 20:14), so they cannot be the same thing.

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Can't you see how the universalists keep saying 'hell' doesn't exist, and to support the argument they they offer examples of Sheol/Hades, which is not hell to begin with.


So if HELL (by whatever definition above you want to use) is NOT sheol/hades to begin with, then what English word do you want us to use to translate sheol/hades? I guess a better question would be “What do you think sheol/hades IS??” If you don’t think it is either the ‘unseen’, ‘imperceptible’, or ‘HELL’, then what pray tell do you want us to call it then? And please show me the scriptures that say what HELL is then. Of course you cant use ANY of the ones I listed because they are translated ‘hell’ in the first place.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 06:31 PM
 
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Falsely accusing Eusebius of plagiarizing someone he doesn't even know is NOT "living quietly in the land," Finn . . . get real. You and your ilk are doing all the falsely accusing, attacking, judging and condemning. Take a good look in the mirror.
You just did it again. You accused me of something I never did. I didn't say anything about plagiarizing anyone. I don't care is someone else did.

I shall hereby name you "The False Accurser of Year 2010".
 
Old 04-30-2010, 06:34 PM
 
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Well I am a little confused then, because in the OT in the KJV the ‘Middle English’ word “HELL” is translated from all these occurrences of “sheol”……
I just explained it to you in the post you replied to. They are not same. You need to study the Bible and see the truth.

Or are you arguing they are the same? It's either that, or you are disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing.

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think maybe you might be confusing sheol/hades with Gehenna which are two totally different things. Or maybe the Lake of Fire being hell, but they too are two totally different things, for ‘hell’ is thrown into the LOF (Rev 20:14), so they cannot be the same thing.


Read my post again, where I specifically said Hades and permanet hell are not the same thing. It was Ilene who was confused about it, and the universalists who were deliberatly trying to make it sound like Hades is hell, so they could somehow prove that hell doesn't exist. It's the game they play to deceive people.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 06:40 PM
 
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Another baseless accusation......will it ever end?

Psalm 35:20 They do not speak peaceably, but devise false accusations against those who live quietly in the land.
No, that's what he does. He can't post anything without attacking other people.
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