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Old 05-13-2010, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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You have mentioned this before - comparing temporary troubles to eternal punishment. There is no comparison, especially if you compare death in this life to eternal misery.
It defeats the UR talking point "loving God would never do such a thing". Well, he is doing it right now, so why wouldn't he do what he says he will do in the future? If he didn't lie then, why would he lie in the future?

 
Old 05-13-2010, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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It defeats the UR talking point "loving God would never do such a thing". Well, he is doing it right now, so why wouldn't he do what he says he will do in the future? If he didn't lie then, why would he lie in the future?
Exactly. I was reading Exodus and in chapter 4 verse 24 it says, "At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint knife and cut off her son's foreskin and touched Moses' feet with it. "Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me," she said. So the Lord let him alone."

Moses spent half his life in Pharaoh's palace and half his life in the Midianite desert. He most likely wasn't even familiar with God's laws especially since all the requirements of God's covenant with Israel had not been actively carried out for 400 years. What is my point in writing this? God was going to kill Moses because he went against God's laws even though He probably didn't even know He was disobeying them! How is that loving, universalists? This shows that God takes our actions seriously and disobeying Him is a big deal! There are consequences for disobeying the Lord. You say that doesn't compare to eternal punishment, but I say, if God does something that a human would think is unloving on Earth, why wouldn't He do something that you feel is unloving after we leave Earth?

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Old 05-13-2010, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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So were the hippies in the 1960s. Did that buy them a ticket to heaven? The Bible teaches otherwise.



Rule #1: there is only one God, and it ain't moloch. And yes, he is a better God than moloch, but of course moloch didn't actually exist, they people didn't realize they were actually worshipping Satan himself.

You have made your choise: if you don't want to believe what the Bible teaches about life and afterlife, you surely don't have to. You have free will.
I wonder very much if you have studied mythology. Find out who and what these gods were and how they were worshiped.

HOW LONG HAS CHRISTIANITY BEEN FIGHTING! (yeah, that was exactly what Jesus was trying to teach us, how to be better warriors with our bombs and our guns and our battles and our armies! I guess I missed that message)

The gods that Christianity WARships are not much different than the pagan gods of old.

Find out why God HATED usury, burning people, etc and etc. in the Old Testament and get back to me on how many people you actually think are saved on this planet. If you want to take God seriously AT ALL, start studying a little harder.

(HINT, the UNITED STATES and WESTERN CIVILIZATION is built on usury! There are a WHOLE LOT of "Christians" who are in a WHOLE LOT of trouble right now and don't know it! This includes EVERYONE who is sitting in those pews on SUNday)

GOD DOES NOT CHANGE! I wonder why so many people think He has??

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Old 05-13-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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IMO, one big problem with traditional Christianity is that it's all about getting that golden ticket to heaven. It's a self-centered message. As long as you and the few people you love the most have that golden ticket, that's all that's really important. The two most important commandments are to love God and love your neighbor as yourself. If people did love their neighbor as they love themselves, that one golden ticket would not be nearly enough. Everyone they come into contact with would have to have one, too, for them to be satisfied and have peace and joy. I ranted about this before, but if hell is a literal lake of fire, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!There's NO WAY you can keep commandment #2, and at the same time not run around warning everyone you meet, if you believe they are going to burn forever. NO WAY!
Traditional Christianity is self service. Work to save yourself. Forget about anyone else. As long as you get yours, pee on everyone else, for the rest of everlasting. That is what they say Christs message is, when you read the gospel you see Christ is saying live for others die to self. They got it the other way around, live for self let everyone else die ...

Traditional fundamental Christianity is contemporary Phariseeism.
 
Old 05-13-2010, 01:29 PM
 
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It defeats the UR talking point "loving God would never do such a thing". Well, he is doing it right now, so why wouldn't he do what he says he will do in the future? If he didn't lie then, why would he lie in the future?

Yes, there are some "God wouldn't do that" arguments that are not sound, however that doesn't defeat the declaration in scripture that God will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth.
 
Old 05-13-2010, 01:35 PM
 
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Why are you so rude?

I never claimed to compare my love or any human's love to that of God's love. I never said anything about "hippie love" (whatever that is). I never said my love would save anyone. I never said you would be saved by being a 'nice guy' (whatever you think that is, though I don't see why it would be a negative). I wasn't even responding directly to any post of yours!

Maybe you should read 1 John again. If you don't love your brother or others, you don't know God! That is pretty important I would say. If we do love one another, then God lives in us! That is also pretty important.
You know a tree by its fruit ...
 
Old 05-13-2010, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Yes, there are some "God wouldn't do that" arguments that are not sound, however that doesn't defeat the declaration in scripture that God will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth.
You truly amaze me. We show you dozens and dozens of verses, but you deny them. Amazing. No wonder Satan deceived you. You want to believe what you want to believe and no matter what, you aren't changing.
 
Old 05-13-2010, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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You know a tree by its fruit ...
Fruit is not being nice for many false teachers are "kind and loving". Look at the Dalai Lama. Fruit is what comes out of one's mouth and does it go along with the Bible? By their fruit you will recognize them (false teachers) (Matt 7:16).
 
Old 05-13-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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You truly amaze me. We show you dozens and dozens of verses, but you deny them. Amazing. No wonder Satan deceived you. You want to believe what you want to believe and no matter what, you aren't changing.
That is a nice speech, but it still does not change the scriptural declaration I spoke of.
 
Old 05-13-2010, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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That is a nice speech, but it still does not change the scriptural declaration I spoke of.
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