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Old 05-30-2010, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Rapid City, SD
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He has no purpose for God. Only to help serve Babylon the Great.

 
Old 05-30-2010, 10:55 PM
 
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He has no purpose for God. Only to help serve Babylon the Great.
That's what I thought too.
 
Old 05-31-2010, 01:41 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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As a former Catholic...The church calls me a "fallen Catholic" I find all the misconceptions about the pope and the Catholic church appalling...It seems to be yet another thread claiming my church/ denomination is the correct one and others are evil ...Eg...The pope helps serve Babylon the Great.....I thought you people all worshiped the same God...One sure wouldn't know it reading this thread.

"Pope" is the title conventionally given to the Bishop of Rome and the head of the Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Catholic Churches in full communion with the Pontiff. Upon his election, the Pope is vested with ultimate power and companion duties and obligations associated with overseeing all affairs of the Church. The most common misconception associated with the Pope is the doctrine of infallibility (speaking without error).

The primary duties and obligations of a Pope are to serve as the supreme pastor of Catholics worldwide, setting forth the manner in which they shall pursue their faith and life in accordance with the teachings of Christ.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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The purpose of a Pope is to be Head of Jesus Church.
Usurping the Head, Jesus.
 
Old 03-16-2013, 07:33 AM
 
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I don't like the attitude of this conversation. I want to have discussion with the catholic brethren, but seeing the spirit of this converstaion, I doubt there are many catholics on this forum left to discuss with, if any. I don't agree with the teachings of having a pope, but if I can prove it is wrong, I should be able to prove it from the Scriptures. So present your case in love.


Now, I watched the recent election of the new pope, Pope Francis I. I have to say after watching it, Catholics are very traditional people. Its like everything they did, they did it in that exact way for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Not only that, but it seems like every cardinal there was 100 years old. (And I don't mean that in disrespect) It just seems to me that they had more respect for the traditions, than the freedom that God gives. To be honset, most of these traditions, are man-made traditions.


With that said, it seems the duty of the Pope is to basically run the church. Yet if we are to say Peter was the first Pope, Peter didn't run every area of the church. In fact all the apostles did, was preach the Gospel. There was a situation in the Book of Acts, where food wasn't properly being distributed among the church. (People were being discriminated against because of their background) So this matter was presented among the apostles. Now I imagine if something similar happened today, and this matter was presented before the Pope, he would give his solution on how to solve it. Yet as we see in the Book of Acts, the apostles told them to find devout men to solve this problem, because they didn't want to spend time away from preaching the Gospel.


All the apostles, including Peter, were totally devoted to preaching the word. (And God confirmed their word with the working of miracles) That's not to say they didn't do anything else, but their main purpose was to preach the word. Yet as I understand it, the Pope is involved in everything going on concerning the situation of the church. Even right down to what we should believe concerning science and things of that nature. Rarely, do you ever hear the Pope being mentioned for preaching the Gospel, much less miracles being witnessed with the word.
 
Old 03-16-2013, 07:19 PM
 
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Are you serious? See I always wondered what made him so holy to people. I know the bible said something like there is one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus. Do Catholics have a different bible?
You only HAVE a bible because of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church preceded the Bible by almost 400 years and met, deliberated, prayed, and argued what books would be IN the Bible. The Bible is the culmination of years and years of tradition which helped to determine what should be in it.

Research it for yourself. You folks always have this completely false belief that the Bible is ground zero like it fell from the sky and glowed neon green for a while. The real truth is Jesus created a Church with Peter as it's head. Many, many writings were written over the decades after Christ walked the earth, but many spurious writings were written after that. Different writings were in different Churches across the Christian world, so the Church decided that one set of writings would benefit the Church and their ability to teach consistently so they met together around 300 A.D. and almost 100 years later they finally came to a decision on what writings would be included. And THAT is the bible you love and know. Yea, YOUR bible.

Of course Luther modified it and removed 7 books in the old testament and moved it to a section called Apocrypha.
 
Old 03-16-2013, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Canada
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"Coun. Rick Glumac suggested a motion to designate the sites as civic or parks and open space now, noting with so much density in inlet centre there needed to be more open areas.

The majority of council disagreed, however, saying it would limit the city's options. Mayor Mike Clay added it made little sense to allow developers to maximize their profit potential on nearby properties while the city sacrificed a prime piece of real estate for those future residents."

This is part of what's wrong with planning and civic government in the region, it's too much of an active participant in the real estate industry, so that in this case they come to view private developers as their competition which erases their neutrality in the matter. Sacrificing their real estate holding for the benefit of local residents is exactly the role of civic government, people should have the whole city as their playground, not be confined to the private condo grounds because there's no public spaces.
 
Old 03-17-2013, 07:03 AM
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Shalom!
The pope is a matter of the RCC and their members. He is not the head of the body of Christ, which is our Lord Jesus Christ, nor the Vicar of Jesus Christ here on earth. The history of the Papacy forbits such a claim. I think a pope and what the RCC has made of it is not scripture and should not be followed by any other church. If there is a pope in the bible as Catholics claim, let us look at the first one, the Apostle Peter. He was a man of one wife, a good tradition the RCC should follow, they would have less problems. He was not suprior over the other apostles, the Apostle Paulus rebuked him of hypocresy, he was not excommunicated, the RCC could learn from it. The first pope was the apostle of the circumcission, the Jews, sent by Jesus to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The sign of Israel is the Sabbath, I do not think the RCC has anything to do with the first Church, which was only Jewish. The claim they have the traditions of 2000 years cannot stand in face of pagan feasts instead of biblical feasts. I do not believe that Peter allowed anyone to kneel before him and kiss his hands, a ring surely came later, it would be interesting what is written on that ring? Rev 14:7and Rev 22:9 says that we shall only worship God. But if the RCC has made the pope to a god, which they have and never renounced, than this is idolatry what people do that kneel before the pope and kiss his ring, Catholics and others it does not matter. Kiss the Son Ps 2:12. That the RCC is not the true Israel of God proofs their many statues of saints and Mary, the Jewish law forbits any images. I do not believe that Peter was praying to Mary nor bow down before her. He preached it not. We can see the great difference between the first pope and his followers.
God bless!
 
Old 03-17-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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You only HAVE a bible because of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church preceded the Bible by almost 400 years and met, deliberated, prayed, and argued what books would be IN the Bible. The Bible is the culmination of years and years of tradition which helped to determine what should be in it.

Research it for yourself. You folks always have this completely false belief that the Bible is ground zero like it fell from the sky and glowed neon green for a while. The real truth is Jesus created a Church with Peter as it's head. Many, many writings were written over the decades after Christ walked the earth, but many spurious writings were written after that. Different writings were in different Churches across the Christian world, so the Church decided that one set of writings would benefit the Church and their ability to teach consistently so they met together around 300 A.D. and almost 100 years later they finally came to a decision on what writings would be included. And THAT is the bible you love and know. Yea, YOUR bible.

Of course Luther modified it and removed 7 books in the old testament and moved it to a section called Apocrypha.
Where does it state in the Bible that Peter was the head of the Church?...
 
Old 03-17-2013, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Where does it state in the Bible that Peter was the head of the Church?...
Same old game:

John 21:15-17 states:

When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs."

He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep."

He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep.

Matthew 16:17-19 states:

Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

The Catholic Church believes the Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.

But the next thing you or someone else will do is to say, that the interpretation is simply wrong. Then you or someone else will proceed to say that we are worshipping the pope like a god.

Seriously, this thread is like every other thread about Catholicism on this board.
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