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Old 05-01-2010, 08:49 PM
 
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Old 05-01-2010, 09:07 PM
 
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Old 05-02-2010, 05:41 AM
 
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it is not YHVH or the name Yahweh that we are called upon to be saved, but the Son of YHVH that we call upon to be saved .... For YHVH give to his Son the authority over the heaven and the earth and is Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes the sin of the world .... Sure YHVH power is the power that Jesus uses, but the power with the name of YHVH have no authority and we must you the name of Jesus or the name Son of YHVH that we must use or the angels through Holy Spirit will not repond the the name YHVH because everything is the Blood of Jesus Christ and there is no power for Holy Spirit apart the name of Jesus or Yeshua or the Son of God or Son of YHVH ........Idenity in faith is important to the faith that Holy spirit will respond......

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Old 05-02-2010, 10:35 AM
 
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We must use the entirety of the Word to get a full understanding.

Acts.2:21 - And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom.10
[8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

If you meet this condition, then Jesus will graciously grant you the promise of salvation.

Now, how does one retain this salvation? Obedience. If you fall back into sin, then you will lose your salvation.

Heb.10
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

You become a backslider, and one who needs to renew his/her covenant with Jesus. If not, you will go to hell in that backsliden condition. Only the holy and the righteous will march through those pearly gates.

Jesus warned:

Mark.9
[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[44] Where their worm [the soul] dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[46] Where their worm [the soul] dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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We must use the entirety of the Word to get a full understanding.

Acts.2:21 - And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom.10
[8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

If you meet this condition, then Jesus will graciously grant you the promise of salvation.

Now, how does one retain this salvation? Obedience. If you fall back into sin, then you will lose your salvation.

Heb.10
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

You become a backslider, and one who needs to renew his/her covenant with Jesus. If not, you will go to hell in that backsliden condition. Only the holy and the righteous will march through those pearly gates.

Jesus warned:

Mark.9
[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[44] Where their worm [the soul] dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[46] Where their worm [the soul] dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
More out of context verses Ugg.

Heb.10
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

That is not saying someone who was saved, it is saying if you hear the trusth (The saving Grace of Jesus) yet you deny it and still want to be judged by the law, you will be judged by the law, every 613 of them.
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Old 05-02-2010, 11:14 AM
 
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Heb.10
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

That is not saying someone who was saved, it is saying if you hear the trusth (The saving Grace of Jesus) yet you deny it and still want to be judged by the law, you will be judged by the law, every 613 of them.
I am not going to debate Hebrews 10:26, or any other scripture for that matter. Salvation is received by believing in righteousness, that God raised Jesus from the dead and confessing with our mouths. However, to retain our salvation requires obedience. Mark 9:43-48 is very clear that an eye, hand or foot that causes one to sin will send that person to hell. The blood of Jesus does not cover willful sin. We can profess Jesus here to judgement day, but willful sin sends us to hell.

Matt. 7
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[24] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[25] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[26] And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[27] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
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Old 05-02-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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I am not going to debate Hebrews 10:26, or any other scripture for that matter. Salvation is received by believing in righteousness, that God raised Jesus from the dead and confessing with our mouths. However, to retain our salvation requires obedience. Mark 9:43-48 is very clear that an eye, hand or foot that causes one to sin will send that person to hell. The blood of Jesus does not cover willful sin. We can profess Jesus here to judgement day, but willful sin sends us to hell.

Matt. 7
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[24] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[25] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[26] And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[27] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Ok, by the law we shall be saved! Long live the law!
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:42 PM
 
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We must use the entirety of the Word to get a full understanding.

Acts.2:21 - And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom.10
[8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

If you meet this condition, then Jesus will graciously grant you the promise of salvation.

Now, how does one retain this salvation? Obedience. If you fall back into sin, then you will lose your salvation.

Heb.10
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

You become a backslider, and one who needs to renew his/her covenant with Jesus. If not, you will go to hell in that backsliden condition. Only the holy and the righteous will march through those pearly gates.

Jesus warned:

Mark.9
[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[44] Where their worm [the soul] dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[46] Where their worm [the soul] dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Moderator cut: personal insult Works based salvation which is what Paul spoke against in Romans and Galatians. It was to thoseModerator cut: insult to whom Paul said this in Gal. 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7) which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8) but even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9) As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed.

Moderator cut: insult You don't earn your salvation and you don't maintain your salvation through ANYTHING you do or refrain from doing.

Moderator cut: insult God does not condemn a person for a sin that has already been paid for. Hebrews 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11) And every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12) but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13) waiting from that time onward until HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.14) For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

The believer is justified at the moment of faith in Christ, having been proclaimed as such by God the Father who has at that point of faith in Christ imputed HIS VERY OWN PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS to that believer. No matter what sins the believer commits, God sees HIS righteousness, not yours. Sin in the life of the believer simply puts him out of TEMPORAL fellowship and under the control of his old sin nature. It has no bearing whatsoever on his eternal salvation. Sin in the life of the believer is handled as a family matter. (Prov. 3:11-12; Heb. 12:5-13, Rev. 3:19-21).

Moderator cut: insult Salvation is the work of God and is received by one initial act of faith. Once a person is saved he is saved forever. There is no 'retaining' salvation.

Moderator cut: insult]Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone.

Those who are reading this and are confused about the eternal security of the believer and would genuinely like to know the truth of the matter, get yourself into the following links and STUDY THEM. For the dedicated legalists, the wolves in sheeps clothing, Pauls curse of Gal.1:6 be upon you.



Eternal Security (http://jrcyouth.com/love24.htm - broken link)

Doctrine of Rebound (http://jrcyouth.com/love1.htm - broken link)

Eternal Security - Publications - Robert McLaughlin Bible Ministries / Grace Bible Church - bible doctrine truth in Christ

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Old 05-02-2010, 01:02 PM
 
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Once a person is saved he is saved forever. There is no 'retaining' salvation.
That lie started in the very beginning, and the devil hasn't changed his deception. It has infiltrated the modern church and is sending people to hell in droves.

Genesis 3:1-4 - Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Lies, lies and more lies. Jesus called him the father of lies. The devil says: God doesn't really mean that you have to live free from sin. But, God means what He says: the soul that partakes of the forbidden fruit (sin of any kind) will die, not live. It is written.
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Old 05-02-2010, 02:55 PM
 
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Whether under the law or under grace, God's requirement for obedience has not changed. The message is the same as it was from the very beginning in the Garden of Eden: the soul that sins will die.

Ezek.33
[13] When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
[14] Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
[15] If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
[16] None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
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