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Old 05-11-2010, 01:10 AM
 
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1 Timothy 4:7

What could be more godless than what you preach over and over and over about a monster god who has created an eternal torture chamber for those He himself brought into existence?

I see no love in what you preach.
No love at all.
I see nothing but godless myths and old wives tales.

Love conquers ALL.
We are talking about the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE.
He has a plan.
And it is 100% PERFECT.
He IS the Good Shepherd.

Edited to add: Do you know why I posted the above? Because of the amount of people suffering daily because they do not understand WHO their Creator is. Because of the amount of people suffering daily, because they are taught that their Creator is a monster. Because of the amount of people suffering daily, because in this dark world, preachers are preaching the WORST news possible... that their CREATOR would allow His creation to be tortured forever. The darkness in this world CONTINUES because the light is being obscured by the false gospel .
The false Gospel is that all men will be saved.


The reality of hell is a necessity which stems from the requirement of God's infinitely holy nature to exact justice on those of His creation who have trangressed against Him. It is those who cannot face up to the reality of God's revealed truth concerning the lake of fire who make God out to be a monster and in the process impugn His character.

God's plan involves leaving in eternal condemnation all who do not obey the Gospel. 2 Thessalonians 1:6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7) and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire. 8) dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9) And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.

Yes, eternal separation from God in hell, in a condition of utter ruin and uselessness, in suffering and torment, is what awaits those who refuse the free gift of eternal salvation through faith in Christ which would have rescued them from that hopeless condition they will have to endure forever.
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:13 AM
 
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Part 2 by Stargazzer :

All those who fail to live in the goodness of recognition and hope of virtue in their lives will cease to exist .
As, their self arrogance will be reflected in "non purpose" as it is
in their life with others.
Others who are willing and rightfully due the charity of their neighbor.

Hell , would extend purpose to those with no purpose
Therefore, "Hell is illogical". Stargazzer
Part 3 by Stargazzer :

Religion must grow
Stargazzer Part 3
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Eph 6:12
because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;

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Old 05-11-2010, 01:25 AM
 
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The false Gospel is that all men will be saved.


The reality of hell is a necessity which stems from the requirement of God's infinitely holy nature to exact justice on those of His creation who have trangressed against Him. It is those who cannot face up to the reality of God's revealed truth concerning the lake of fire who make God out to be a monster and in the process impugn His character.

God's plan involves leaving in eternal condemnation all who do not obey the Gospel. 2 Thessalonians 1:6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7) and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire. 8) dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9) And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.

Yes, eternal separation from God in hell, in a condition of utter ruin and uselessness, in suffering and torment, is what awaits those who refuse the free gift of eternal salvation through faith in Christ which would have rescued them from that hopeless condition they will have to endure forever.
If a person is comfortable believing that one day they will and can enjoy eternal bliss with the whaling , baling and eternal torment of such a place as suggested hell right around the celestial corner than go for it.
It is a gruesome eternity to be sure.
Unless of course you may "enjoy" such a setting for eternity.
Is that what eternal bliss is for those who choose to believe in hell.
We are supposed to use are brains with the intended way of life brought forward in scripture.
As well, could it be possible that not one upon his last breath does "not"
make peace with creator........................................... ..

Who in the world is to "judge all of humanitys last breath" and construct this hell ?
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:25 AM
 
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How did I twist this? "It touches on some of the so called 'second chance' verses that Universalist's misuse to promote the false teaching that all men will be saved.

What I was doing was UNTWISTING your version of what UR people believe. UR stands for Universal Reconciliation. People don't have a second chance to reconcile to God. God reconciles all people Himself. Salvation is a complete work of God. It is finished. So, you could at least bother to understand UR before you start threads attacking it and the belief that God is not a torturer.
You used my name in connection with promoting your agenda. I know full well what Universalism is about. It is a Satanic attempt to lull the gullible into a false sense of security concernng their eternal future. Satan uses people to advance his schemes and there are many who have fallen hook, line, and sinker for it.

As for what universalists believe, they disagree with each other in the details. There are many who claim that you have a second chance after death to believe in Christ. There are those who say it doesn't matter what you believe.

Universalism is not Biblical, it is not Christian, and there is no truth in it. It is a false gospel that originated in the mind of Satan.
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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That's exactly how I felt before God opened my eyes, but this is all just an excuse so people don't feel like it's their responsibility. The other big reason, I suppose, is there isn't a scripture that says, "Go into the streets and warn people that they will burn forever in the lake of fire! If you love your neighbor, try to help them avoid the torment and torture that never ends! Warn them, you believers! Don't let the sun go down on your failed attempt to help others avoid being trapped in fire forever." [u]Why is it not in the bible[/U], CW2L? Please think and pray about this. If hell is a literal fire, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
It's not in the Bible because it doesn't work which was the point of my entire response to what you wrote. It's not an excuse. If it worked, people would do that. I think you are underestimating the power of prayer. That is the most important thing I can do for the lost. The Lord answers prayers. I do pray about this and there is no doubt in my mind that God's Word is true and not tainted. Do you pray for them to turn from their sin and believe in Him?

Just because you don't believe in hell doesn't mean you should stop preaching the gospel to non-Christians. Why don't you go around telling all unbelievers that they need Him? Or do you? It seems to me that people who believe in UR, stop witnessing to unbelievers. Spreading UR is more important.

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Old 05-11-2010, 01:28 AM
 
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If a person is comfortable believing that one day they will and can enjoy eternal bliss with the whaling , baling and eternal torment of such a place as suggested hell right around the celestial corner than go for it.
It is a gruesome eternity to be sure.
Unless of course you may "enjoy" such a setting for eternity.
Is that what eternal bliss is for those who choose to believe in hell.
We are supposed to use are brains with the intended way of life brought forward in scripture.
As well, could it be possible that not one upon his last breath does "not"
make peace with creator...
Who in the world is to "judge" such and construct this hell ?
In saying this, you have rejected the clear teaching of the scriptures.
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:32 AM
 
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In saying this, you have rejected the clear teaching of the scriptures.
Explain
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:37 AM
 
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No where in scripture does it say........If you fail to believe in hell and live in the goodness of the message you WILL go to hell.....
So find that and I will pay attention and address.......
otherwise ...retract statement
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:38 AM
 
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So much for your version of the "good news."
The good news is that God has provided a way to avoid the penalty of sin, which is the second death-the lake of fire by simply receiving the gift of eternal salvation through faith in Christ. One of the Satanic strategies to obscure the good news is to counterfeit the Gospel with the false teaching that all will be saved.
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