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Old 05-11-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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I think I'm sitting on top of the campfire Elmer!!
Is "campfire" another euphemism for "hell"?

Or maybe you mean God's consuming campfire!
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:20 AM
 
Location: RV Park
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Any child of His would desire His fire - except ETers, that is.
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Massatucky
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If you want to avoid hell, keep the heck out of Baltimore.
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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Is "campfire" another euphemism for "hell"?

Or maybe you mean God's consuming campfire!
Yeah, that's what I meant!! God's consuming campfire!!
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: RV Park
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If you want to avoid hell, keep the heck out of Baltimore.
Darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and His glory shall be seen upon thee. (Isa 60:2)

This is the legacy of a son.
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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If you want to avoid hell, keep the heck out of Baltimore.
LOL....that's what I've heard!
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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If you want to avoid hell, keep the heck out of Baltimore.
LOL never been there. I think there is literally a town called "hell" in Michigan...

Has anyone been over to Jerusalem and visited Gehenna? Some day I would like to travel there, just so I can see for myself that there is no longer any unquenchable fire there. Then I can tell people I've been to hell and back!
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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Hell is an unpleasant thought.
Why do people who believe in a literal lake of fire constantly downplay the concept? An unpleasant thought? Is that all? Why not come right out and say how bad it really is. Can you explain in detail what you think it will be like for someone there?

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Being a Universalist doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't saved.
That's great that you realize that!

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It depends on if they ever had the good sense to understand the issue involved in salvation before being deceived into the universalist belief system.
Now you've added "good sense to understand the issue" as a qualification in addition to believing in Jesus.
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To clarify, a new believer doesn't know God beyond that which was necessary to know in order to make a decision to place his faith in Christ.
Scripture, please?

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But after salvation, there is an entire realm of doctrine that God expects the believer to learn. Most believers never learn these things and remain spiritual infants all of their Christian lives.
Matthew 22:36-40:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[b] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

If you don't follow the first two commandments, all that studying is useless to God.

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Old 05-11-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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What Does the Bible Say about Hell?
Nothing.
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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You seem unable to understand the issue. The issue is that you must believe in Christ in order to be saved. Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

However, if a person doesn't believe in the lake of fire, then they don't understand the issue with regard to what salvation saves them from. It means also that they are calling God a liar. The Bible is crystal clear in its message that hell exists and is the eternal destination for those who die without Christ.

You are also quite mistaken in saying that no one knows there is a God or a hell. The Scriptures declare the existence of God and the fingerprints of God are all over the Scriptures. And Jesus Christ who Himself is God manifested Himself in the flesh and came into the world to pay the penalty for sin.

I will say to you one more time. If you die without believing in Christ for salvation you will spend eternity in the lake of fire. That is the truth of the matter.
First point--the Bible is NOT "crystal clear" in it's message that hell is the eternal destination for those who die without Christ. Bad translations are crystal clear to those who don't bother to dig deeper into the original languages of the Bible themselves.

Second point--You are stating that everyone KNOWS that God and hell are real because of the Bible. That is incorrect. You have to BELIEVE with FAITH, which is incomprehensible to the unbeliever. How are printed words on a page ABSOLUTE proof of God or hell? PROOF would be seeing, touching, experiencing.
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