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Old 05-17-2010, 01:23 PM
 
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I believe it was the Hebrew Names or New Century...but either way, all translations are correct, and the focus of that very text and verse is WHAT IS BETWEEN THE CLOUDS AND SEA......THE AIR, which is the sky, the heavens (first), etc. Regardless, the meaning is...the air and sky.
When I breathe, my lungs don't fill up with sky or the heavens. So, I think it's just as reasonable to believe that God knit everyone together in the mother's womb and not just David and a few chosen ones, as it is to believe the sky, heavens, and air are the same thing.
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Old 05-17-2010, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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When I breathe, my lungs don't fill up with sky or the heavens.
..mine do
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Old 05-17-2010, 02:11 PM
 
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..mine do
:d The green, big-toothy-grin smiley won't show up!
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Old 05-17-2010, 03:44 PM
 
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:d The green, big-toothy-grin smiley won't show up!
To do it manually make sure you use a capital D ...
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Old 05-17-2010, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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To do it manually make sure you use a capital D ...
Ahhh!!! Thanks, Ironmaw1776! I could never get mine to work either.

There we go...
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Old 05-17-2010, 04:30 PM
 
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Ahhh!!! Thanks, Ironmaw1776! I could never get mine to work either.

There we go...
No problem ... Also, FYI, in case you didn't already know, you can hit the "go advanced" button next to the "submit reply" button and it will take you to the advanced message screen where you can click on the desired "smilies" icon to the right of the message box and it will automatically place it within the text for you.
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Old 06-06-2010, 05:26 AM
 
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Exactly Brian! If one wants to continue in lustful sin, then they aren't saved yet, because it is the sin and the sinning we are saved from.

Salvation is a process. God is working within us.

We are saved (past tense) in the sense that Christ did it all on the cross.

We will be saved (future tense) in the sense that eventually we won't want to sin, won't ever sin again, and will be resurrected immortal.
Then Explain This...
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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Old 06-06-2010, 05:28 AM
 
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Yes, I agree people who have been saved do not live in willful and habitual sin. But many people do, don't they? We see proof of this every day. So, isn't fair to say that not everybody is saved? But of course the UR believe that you can live in sin, and die, and then you are forced into salvation in the afterlife. This belief is not Biblical, but rather it is something they "figured out". You know... - with "common sense". But of course, God is not something a mere mortal can ever "figure out".
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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Old 06-06-2010, 05:31 AM
 
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What you don't understand is there is a process of conversion. Not everyone is converted yet. And we don't convert ourselves. God does it.

Salvation is a complete work of God. But you don't believe that either.
I agree with you that salvation is a complete work of God, However, i believe it is limited...
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Old 06-06-2010, 05:32 AM
 
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Someone who desires to sin but is afraid to lose their salvation over those sins, would think like that. Someone who loves God with all their heart, soul, mind and strength, and loves their neighbor as themselves does not think that way at all.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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