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Old 06-11-2010, 03:33 PM
 
Location: On a road heaven bound !
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I have never claimed to be anyone but who I am. My point stands.
I know....
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:33 PM
 
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This is just nonsense and I'm not going to play this little game with you.

It's not a game, your logic is flawed, that is not my problem, it is yours.
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:36 PM
 
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Yep. might check out mike555 declaration that some believe in Jesus but don't really believe , then makes a thread where if you believe in Jesus your salvation is secure AND ANYTHING YOU DO DOES NOT MATTER.

k: k:


Oh and don't forget that some will post that unbelievers are in hell but all will believe while in hell because they will understand what they missed out on.

Sure, everyone can be a bit inconsistant, but I think in matters of eternal damnation if it is true you all drop the ball big time because of what you believe is at stake. So lets talk about who's inconsistancies will do more damage, if your perspective is true, you guys really stink and probably won't even make it to heaven because you've bungled things up so badly.
If a person does not believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible, but has instead placed his belief in some false Jesus, and anyone who denies that Jesus Christ is God has placed their faith in a false Jesus, that person is not saved. If a person has believed in the Jesus Christ of the Bible for salvation, then that person is eternally saved.
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:36 PM
 
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:38 PM
 
Location: On a road heaven bound !
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If a person does not believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible, but has instead placed his belief in some false Jesus, and anyone who denies that Jesus Christ is God has placed their faith in a false Jesus, that person is not saved. If a person has believed in the Jesus Christ of the Bible for salvation, then that person is eternally saved.

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Old 06-11-2010, 03:43 PM
 
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If a person does not believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible, but has instead placed his belief in some false Jesus, and anyone who denies that Jesus Christ is God has placed their faith in a false Jesus, that person is not saved. If a person has believed in the Jesus Christ of the Bible for salvation, then that person is eternally saved.
Yeah, hopefully since Jesus Christ of the bible is the only Christ there is, then there isn't gonna be much confusion there. But you create confusion by stating in a thread that some profess in Jesus Christ but really do not believe. There just isn't any other Jesus in the first place.

So more convoluted nonsense that only preoccupies Christians needlessly.
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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You interpret the bible to say so. That's all. As you saw in another thread, Paul did not teach that and none of you ET believers can figure out why he didn't.
No, I simply read the Bible because 100% of it is true. I don't need to try to justify certain parts in order for them to fit my belief. I don't need to talk about how the authors were ignorant savages and the words are just "written in ink." I don't need to talk about misinterpretations, mistranslations, or anything else to try to validate my beliefs. I'm not saying you do all of these things, but this is the kind of stuff that is posted on a daily basis by universalists.

Paul most certainly talked about it! Phil 3:18-19, Romans 9:22, 2 Thess 1:7-9, 1 Thes 5:3. Deny hell all you want, but Jesus spoke about it more than heaven!
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Italy
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Because their false belief doesn't hold water. They contradict themselves all the time. It's amazing to me that people can be so blind.
Were you never blind?
For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

peace,
brian
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Old 06-11-2010, 04:00 PM
 
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Yeah, hopefully since Jesus Christ of the bible is the only Christ there is, then there isn't gonna be much confusion there. But you create confusion by stating in a thread that some profess in Jesus Christ but really do not believe. There just isn't any other Jesus in the first place.

So more convoluted nonsense that only preoccupies Christians needlessly.
I agree with you, and also Mike555 has said that even if you believe in Jesus, if you think that being sorry for your sins somehow plays a role in your salvation, then you are not saved because you don't "understand" and have tried to add something to your own salvation. So, in that view, even though "understanding" is required, that somehow doesn't count as adding to your own salvation. So much confusion!
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Old 06-11-2010, 04:06 PM
 
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Yeah, hopefully since Jesus Christ of the bible is the only Christ there is, then there isn't gonna be much confusion there. But you create confusion by stating in a thread that some profess in Jesus Christ but really do not believe. There just isn't any other Jesus in the first place.
That's why it's a false Jesus. Such as the Jesus that the Jehovah's witnesses believe in. All who profess to believe in Christ, but deny His deity, have an improper object for their faith and are still under eternal condemnation and on their way to the lake of fire.


Many profess to believe in Jesus but have never entered into a saving relationship with Him.. As Matthew 7:21-23 makes clear.

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