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Old 05-11-2010, 09:40 AM
 
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Hi all,
Y'know all the talk about the sheep and the goats? Sheep get "in," the goats are "out?"
Well, did you know that both sheep and goats were CLEAN animals and accepted by God as the sacrifice for sin? Yes, goats are clean, just like sheep!

Also,
we hear so much about the Lamb of God who (took) away the sin of the world.
But where did He put that sin that He took away?
Well, in the OT, there were 2 animals used in the sacrifice; one was the sacrifice, of which Jesus Christ was the fulfillment.
However, there was a second animal used as a "scapegoat" which the sins were placed upon, before being set loose in the wilderness.

If Christ is the first of the two, WHO is the second?

Some would say "satan."

Your comments and reflections are always welcome!

Blessings,
Brian
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:11 AM
 
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Also,
we hear so much about the Lamb of God who (took) away the sin of the world.
But where did He put that sin that He took away?
Well, in the OT, there were 2 animals used in the sacrifice; one was the sacrifice, of which Jesus Christ was the fulfillment.
However, there was a second animal used as a "scapegoat" which the sins were placed upon, before being set loose in the wilderness.

If Christ is the first of the two, WHO is the second?

Some would say "satan."

Your comments and reflections are always welcome!

Blessings,
Brian
The lamb and scaptgoat are just types of the same Christ. Christ was sacrificed and then carried away our sins to the tomb where he was not seen for three days. Then He later ascended to God to an inaccessable place:
1Ti 6:16 Who alone has immortality, making His home in light inaccessible, Whom not one of mankind perceived nor can be perceiving, to Whom be honor and might eonian! Amen!"
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:17 AM
 
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Hi Eusebius,

Can you elaborate? I see two distinct figures in the OT, one is sacrificed, the other is sent away into the wilderness, but not sacrificed. So I can't see how Christ can be both..

brian
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:06 PM
 
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Both goats represent Christ.
The one was the sacrificial goat.
The other was to represent Christ in His resurrection.

At least that's my 2cents.
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:36 PM
 
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Leviticus 14:4 also talks about two birds, one sacrificed and one let go. Again, these are two types of the one Christ.
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Old 05-13-2010, 05:44 PM
 
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The lamb is a young sheep and is easily lead and will keep in a group or flock, where as the goat is independant and could ram others or hord things of others ... when Jesus takes the sins from a person, he does not cover it up or hide it or make excuses or it, But Jesus rips it out in the Spirit of the blood of Jesus Christ and it is gone, the sin can come back and Jesus will rip it out of a believer again..... Believer must be willing to get sin out by repenting which will prove to Jesus of their sincerity........the goats that is sacrifical that may represent Christ that where sacrificed from the Old Covernant repesents Christ as a shadow of Jesus Christ to come for Moses and the Early Israel pre-Christians........
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Old 05-13-2010, 06:33 PM
 
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Hi all,
Y'know all the talk about the sheep and the goats? Sheep get "in," the goats are "out?"
Well, did you know that both sheep and goats were CLEAN animals and accepted by God as the sacrifice for sin? Yes, goats are clean, just like sheep!

Also,
we hear so much about the Lamb of God who (took) away the sin of the world.
But where did He put that sin that He took away?
Well, in the OT, there were 2 animals used in the sacrifice; one was the sacrifice, of which Jesus Christ was the fulfillment.
However, there was a second animal used as a "scapegoat" which the sins were placed upon, before being set loose in the wilderness.

If Christ is the first of the two, WHO is the second?

Some would say "satan."

Your comments and reflections are always welcome!

Blessings,
Brian
From Barnabas:

CHAPTER VII.--FASTING, AND THE GOAT SENT AWAY, WERE TYPES OF CHRIST.

Understand, then, ye children of gladness, that the good Lord has foreshown all things to us, that we might know to whom we ought for everything to render thanksgiving and praise. If therefore the Son of God, who is Lord all things], and who will judge the living and the dead, suffered, that His stroke might give us life, let us believe that the Son of God could not have suffered except for our sakes. Moreover, when fixed to the cross, He had given Him to drink vinegar and gall. Hearken how the priests of the people gave previous indications of this. His commandment having been written, the Lord enjoined, that whosoever did not keep the fast should be put to death, because He also Himself was to offer in sacrifice for our sins the vessel of the Spirit, in order that the type established in Isaac when he was offered upon the altar might be fully accomplished. What, then, says He in the prophet? "And let them eat of the goat which is offered, with fasting, for all their sins." Attend carefully: "And let all the priests alone eat the inwards, unwashed with vinegar." Wherefore? Because to me, who am to offer my flesh for the sins of my new people, ye are to give gall with vinegar to drink: eat ye alone, while the people fast and mourn in sackcloth and ashes. [These things were done] that He might show that it was necessary for Him to suffer for them. How, then, ran the commandment? Give your attention. Take two goats of goodly aspect, and similar to each other, and offer them. And let the priest take one as a burnt-offering for sins. And what should they do with the other? "Accursed," says He, "is the one." Mark how the type of Jesus now comes out. "And all of you spit upon it, and pierce it, and encircle its head with scarlet wool, and thus let it be driven into the wilderness." And when all this has been done, he who bears the goat brings it into the desert, and takes the wool off from it, and places that upon a shrub which is called Rachia, of which also we are accustomed to eat the fruits when we find them in the field. Of this kind of shrub alone the fruits are sweet. Why then, again, is this? Give good heed. [You see] "one upon the altar, and the other accursed;" and why [do you behold] the one that is accursed crowned? Because they shall see Him then in that day having a scarlet robe about his body down to his feet; and they shall say, Is not this He whom we once despised, and pierced, and mocked, and crucified? Truly this is He who then declared Himself to be the Son of God. For how like is He to Him! With a view to this, [He required] the goats to be of goodly aspect, and similar, that, when they see Him then coming, they may be amazed by the likeness of the goat. Behold, then, the type of Jesus who was to suffer. But why is it that they place the wool in the midst of thorns? It is a type of Jesus set before the view of the Church. [They place the wool among thorns], that any one who wishes to bear it away may find it necessary to suffer much, because the thorn is formidable, and thus obtain it only as the result of suffering. Thus also, says He, "Those who wish to behold Me, and lay hold of My kingdom, must through tribulation and suffering obtain Me."

The Epistle of Barnabas (translation Roberts-Donaldson)
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