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Old 05-11-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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Reading over this forum it appears that almost everything turns out to be a debate between the UR's (Everybody will be saved) and the ET's (Very few will be saved) I'm trying to see if there is a denomination that is "in the middle" of those beliefs.

I'm not asking for a debate. I don't care if you believe it or not. I just want to know is there a denomination that believes that the majority of mankind well eventually be saved (some maybe after a period of "purification") but not all.

The one's that are not saved are those that believe but refuse to accept Christ as their saviour.

Simple question. Hope it doesn't turn into a big debate. Thanks
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:41 AM
 
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LOL....in the "middle"? That's a good question. I would say NO, because UR and ET are at opposite ends of the spectrum.....either you believe one or the other....there's no in between. I recently changed my beliefs from ET to almost...not quite UR......but I do now believe that there is NOT an eternal tormenting hell.

If you're looking for a denomination that is "sort of" in between, I would say Baptists who teach "Once saved, always saved". That's about as close as you'll get.

Oh wait......Mormons believe that most will eventually be saved, and believe Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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Reading over this forum it appears that almost everything turns out to be a debate between the UR's (Everybody will be saved) and the ET's (Very few will be saved) I'm trying to see if there is a denomination that is "in the middle" of those beliefs.

I'm not asking for a debate. I don't care if you believe it or not. I just want to know is there a denomination that believes that the majority of mankind well eventually be saved (some maybe after a period of "purification") but not all.

The one's that are not saved are those that believe but refuse to accept Christ as their saviour.

Simple question. Hope it doesn't turn into a big debate. Thanks
There may be other religions with such beliefs but according to the Holy Bible only those who belive in Christ will be saved, and the others will perish. Some have added to the scriptures like Mormons who believe in salvation after death, but it is not biblical.

But it is not as few as you think. For example in China, Africa and Latin america, millions of people have given their lives to Christ recently. But in the other hand, Satan is getting a tighter grip on Europe and North America and there are more and more people who are atheists, cultists, universalists etc
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:28 AM
 
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What does ET and UR stand for?
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:33 AM
 
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What does ET and UR stand for?
Eternal Torment, Universal Reconciliation....
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
 
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What does ET and UR stand for?
ET is derogatory term used by universalists to describe Christians who believe John 3:16 message that God sent his only son so that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal live. Universalists do not beleive anyone will perish, so they make fun of it. ET stands for "Eternal Torment", and they call Christians who beleive it ETs = Eternal Torments, as if hell was the only part of Bible they believe in.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:01 AM
 
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ET is derogatory term used by universalists to describe Christians who believe John 3:16 message that God sent his only son so that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal live. Universalists do not beleive anyone will perish, so they make fun of it. ET stands for "Eternal Torment", and they call Christians who beleive it ETs = Eternal Torments, as if hell was the only part of Bible they believe in.
And some ETers say derrogatory things like, "there are more and more people who are atheists, cultists, universalists etc" to try to discount the fact that people who believe in UR believe that Christ's resurrection was powerful enough to save everyone, not just a few.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:02 AM
 
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"but according to the Holy Bible only those who belive in Christ will be saved"

According to this statement Finn it sounds like all one has to do is believe in Christ to be saved. What if they believe but do not accept? Are they still going to be saved or would you say that they truly did not believe in the first place?
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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And some ETers say derrogatory things like, "there are more and more people who are atheists, cultists, universalists etc"
What is derrogatory about that? It is true: there are more and more such people.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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What is derrogatory about that? It is true: there are more and more such people.
Sorry if I misunderstood the intention of that comment.
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