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Old 05-11-2010, 11:23 AM
 
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Passing on a great message! The article speaks about discernment: the ability to read, grasp and understand the meaning of scriptures. For NONE of us are there yet! We are all still on our journey's, for there is only one, who truly knows it all! Read and pass along: Ron Graham
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:57 AM
 
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After reading the article I can see that the author still has his blinders on.
He still believes it is all up to us, and, according to him, the majority are going to an eternal hell.

If he didn't have blinders on he would see salvation is all of God. Only God takes the blinders off, not us.
He rescues all mankind, not all at once of course.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:12 PM
 
Location: RV Park
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Everybody runs to 1 Cor 2:14, and then immediately interpret scripture naturally - humans are funny people.

Creation is groaning for the manifestation of the sons of God - that means He's coming all right, but He's coming by His spirit to His church. Interpret spiritual stuff spiritually.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Passing on a great message! The article speaks about discernment: the ability to read, grasp and understand the meaning of scriptures. For NONE of us are there yet! We are all still on our journey's, for there is only one, who truly knows it all! Read and pass along: Ron Graham
Good article. That's the kind of reading I like to see in Christianity forum.

This piece stuck out:

Satan is undoubtedly quite proud of his mastery when it comes to convincing the spiritually blind that there are many paths to Heaven. When Satan comes in contact with someone who really feels the need to believe in a god, he will take a different route than with atheist and agnostics. He’ll enlist the help of false teachers of which there are many willing to step in and guide the spiritually blind away from Christ as the one true way to the Father and show them all the different paths which, as we believers all know, lead not to Heaven but to Hell.


These days we hear about people who no longer believe that accepting Christ is the only way to heaven. Some offer alternate ways like if you love your neighbor as yourself, then you go to heaven (sounds pretty hippie to me) and some say everyone is automatically saved no matter how they live their lives, and Mormons believe that even the dead can be made into believeres.

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Old 05-11-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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Good article. That's the kind of reading I like to see in Christianity forum.

This piece stuck out:

Satan is undoubtedly quite proud of his mastery when it comes to convincing the spiritually blind that there are many paths to Heaven. When Satan comes in contact with someone who really feels the need to believe in a god, he will take a different route than with atheist and agnostics. He’ll enlist the help of false teachers of which there are many willing to step in and guide the spiritually blind away from Christ as the one true way to the Father and show them all the different paths which, as we believers all know, lead not to Heaven but to Hell.
Those who are true Christians such as those who believe 1 Timothy 2:4-6 do not believe there are many paths to Heaven.

Jesus is the only Way to the Father.
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Italy
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The longer a person stays in the enemy’s camp the harder it will be to come out and join the saved.
Not true. Only God could bring me out of my situation back in 1989, and He did!!!

There's hope for all, folks--even when man fails!

Blessings to all,
Brian
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Interesting quote from the link:
"And even though He prayed to His Father that if there was any other way for mankind to be saved that that cup might pass from Him, He knew His Fathers will would be accomplished. “And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” Luke 22:41- 42. There is no other way."

Yet the whole article focuses on how it is not God's will when it comes to salvation it is your choice. Not God's choice... YOUR choice... Yet God's will be done...

Seems like the author is telling people that unbelievers are blinded but it is simple to believe then goes on to blame the whole thing on satan. So satan decieves people so that they are blind but if THEY don't choose God over satan (even though there is foul play on satan's side and God's side is hidden from them) then they spend their afterlife in hell...

If you are blind how are you supposed to choose what you cannot see? And who is this article for? Believers or Unbelievers? It seems very condescending toward those who (because of satan) are blinded to the truth. IMO
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Old 05-11-2010, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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Interesting quote from the link:
"And even though He prayed to His Father that if there was any other way for mankind to be saved that that cup might pass from Him, He knew His Fathers will would be accomplished. “And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” Luke 22:41- 42. There is no other way."

Yet the whole article focuses on how it is not God's will when it comes to salvation it is your choice. Not God's choice... YOUR choice... Yet God's will be done...

Seems like the author is telling people that unbelievers are blinded but it is simple to believe then goes on to blame the whole thing on satan. So satan decieves people so that they are blind but if THEY don't choose God over satan (even though there is foul play on satan's side and God's side is hidden from them) then they spend their afterlife in hell...

If you are blind how are you supposed to choose what you cannot see? And who is this article for? Believers or Unbelievers? It seems very condescending toward those who (because of satan) are blinded to the truth. IMO

The choice that is spoken about, is the choice to accept, or reject. We all know by now that the Father draweth all men.....I can say yes to His will and His way, or, I can choose not to.

I personally said yes after running for so long.....my wish is that all would come, but sadly, we also know according to the scriptures, it won't be so, but there's good news, I'M CONVINCED some will come.! Don't wait too long.
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Old 05-11-2010, 07:09 PM
 
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Not true. Only God could bring me out of my situation back in 1989, and He did!!!

There's hope for all, folks--even when man fails!

Blessings to all,
Brian

Hope!! There is hope for all why we're yet alive. I truly believe that! I believe up until you draw your last breath here on Earth, there's yet hope, amen? I have not seen one YET, (in my line of work as a Hospice nurse) refuse prayer, refused to walk through the sinner's prayer.

You see, I sit with the dying and provide comfort measures until that final hour. I've sat with the toughest of atheist.....I make it my BUSINESS to offer Jesus to them before they close their eyes. The rest is left up to the Holy Spirit....a job too big for me. Yes, there's hope for all. Bless you ahigherway, I know what you mean....if you only knew the "old me". Thank God for Jesus, eh?
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Old 05-11-2010, 08:00 PM
 
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Hope!! There is hope for all why we're yet alive. I truly believe that! I believe up until you draw your last breath here on Earth, there's yet hope, amen? I have not seen one YET, (in my line of work as a Hospice nurse) refuse prayer, refused to walk through the sinner's prayer.

You see, I sit with the dying and provide comfort measures until that final hour. I've sat with the toughest of atheist.....I make it my BUSINESS to offer Jesus to them before they close their eyes. The rest is left up to the Holy Spirit....a job too big for me. Yes, there's hope for all. Bless you ahigherway, I know what you mean....if you only knew the "old me". Thank God for Jesus, eh?
God bless you Betsey!!!
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