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These concepts semantically overlapped a great deal by the time of the New Testament. This is why Luke 16:23-24 describes the rich man as being tormented by fire in Hades. According to your paradigm, Sheol/Hades shouldn't be accompanied by fiery torment. Additionally, many uses of שאול in the Old Testament are not translated with αδης in the New. שאול does not refer to the same concept as Hades every time. Trying to keep Hell and SHeol/Hades segregated is quite naive an approach, especially if the eternal nature of "hell" is your primary criteria.
Slam it as naive if you want, but the Bible is quite clear that Sheol/Hades are not the same place. In Revelation Hades is actually thrown into the lake of fire, so it ouldn't make any sense if they were the same place. Also, whether or not lake of fire is eternal really has nothing to do with the fact that they are two separate places. Yes, the rich man was tormented by fire in Hades, so there is fire, and there is fire in the third chamber if Hades too, Tartarus aka Abyss, where fallen angels are being tormented.
HiIf God is as you describe Him, so merciless and cold, then my mother is much more loving than Him.
Your mother? If you say so.....
You don't believe the Bible, so why bother writing at the Christian forum? If the Bible spells out that you will have everlasting life IF you believe in him, but if you don't believe you will perish. ok, you don't like that so you slam God as merciless and cold. You not liking it does not change what the Bible says.
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aionios=without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be 2) without beginning 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting
this is Strong's dictionary definition, not a conclusion of your own, even Mike555 agrees that Strong's is biased and based on the KJV (rather then what the words actually mean).
if you look in Strong's dictionary you'll see that aionios has been translated with "world" in several instances (Romans 16:25, Titus 1:2, 2Timothy 1:9), this is of course wrong, but the world has both beginning and end according to the KJV, so the KJV translaters didn't understand aionios to denote endlessness in all instances, Strong does knowingly omit this fact.
Hi Finn,
I believe in God. I also believe in Jesus Christ, although I think perhaps it's not the Jesus Christ you believe in. And if I go to hell for it, I'll just be one more that God couldn't save I guess..
I also believe in the Bible. I believe that it has layers of truth in it, depending on where the reader is at. I know that this idea is heresy to you, and you have probably condemned me already in your heart for it. But I know that Jesus said not to condemn so that we don't become condemned ourselves.
I write here because I like to talk with people like yourself. Is that wrong?
I know that this idea is heresy to you, and you have probably condemned me already in your heart for it. But I know that Jesus said not to condemn so that we don't become condemned ourselves.
As you can see form your own comment, you are the only one who says anything about anyone condemnig someone.
Please refrain from accusing me of things I have not done. Thanks
I simply said that you don't believe what the Bible says about the matter, and you added the rest. The Bible says in plain English that you will perish unless you believe in Christ, and you don't believe it, so when I say you don't believe it, I am merely stating a fact.
I prefer the Concordant New Testament and I like the Apostolic Interlinear bible, I am German btw so I do little care about the KJV, I'm often amazed about the cult Americans seem to have about the KJV
I prefer the Concordant New Testament and I like the Apostolic Interlinear bible, I am German btw so I do little care about the KJV, I'm often amazed about the cult Americans seem to have about the KJV
Honestly, I almost have the impression that many people are not aware of the fact, that the KJV is not "the bible", that the bible was written in ancient languages and did not ever exist in English language and that the KJV is nothing but a pretty traditional and widespread translation, though far away from being inerrant or a very literal translation
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