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Old 05-16-2010, 09:58 PM
 
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12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

ALL WHO SIN...the Jew (which was under the law), AND the Gentile (which was not under the law)...of every nation, age, and description, must realize that the judgment of God will be according to their real character. It couldn't be any clearer! In every WILFUL sin, there is contempt of the goodness of God. And though mans disobedience are of every type...ALL come from the same root. But in TRUE REPENTANCE, there must be hatred of former sinfulness, a CHANGE in the state of the mind, which causes it to choose the good and to refuse the evil. Repentance IS CONVERSION!...AND IS REQUIRED OF EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING!

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified...)

Paul was saying to the Jews....Their law could not make them righteous unless it was obeyed! To be justified is to be counted righteous, or guiltless, before God. He who has one sin recorded against him is not justified. He whose sins are all blotted out is justified.

The sinner who believes upon Jesus Christ, who clings to the mercy of God with an OBEDIENT, trusting faith, and finds mercy through Christ's redeeming blood, is justified.

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14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

The law which is spoken of here is - The ten commandments. Gentiles, who did not have the written law, are a law unto themselves. What the ten commandments are to the Jews, the ten commandments are, by the grace of God, a rule of life to the Gentiles.

The full demand of the law, the ten commandments, demands that the motives of the heart be pure, and rejects all earthly ambition. Gentiles, who did not have the written law, had the law within themselves, their conscience will bear witness...either aquitting them or condemning them. (See verse 15). Nothing will impart more terror to sinners...and more comfort to saints, than knowing that Christ shall be the Judge. (See verse 16).

21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

Spiritual pride is the most dangerous of all kinds of pride. Hipocracy dishonors God, by the prideful actions of the hypocrite...and their not living their own lives according to what they preach to others. They despise others who live in a dead form of godliness, and yet they trust in a form of knowledge that is void itself of life and power...still some glory in the gospel, yet while their own unholy lives dishonour God, and blaspheme His holy Name. To rest in the law with a rest of pride, and carnality leads to death. (See verses 22 through 24).

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law; but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

They are required to live their life by that which circumcision signifies, which is, with a pure heart, and live their entire life according to the commandment of the law, so that if there is a man uncircumcised (the Gentile) according to the flesh, who is circumcised in heart, he (the Gentile) is far better and to be more regarded than any Jew that is circumcised according to the flesh only, who does not live according to the commandments of God.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision (the Gentile) keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

absolutely!

27 And shall not uncircumcision (the Gentile) which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee (the Jew), who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

absolutely!

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

For he is the real Christian, who is inwardly a true believer, with an OBEDIENT faith. And the true baptism is that of the heart, by the washing of regeneration and the renewal of the Holy Ghost; bringing a spiritual frame of mind, and a willing heart to follow His truth in its holy ways.

May we be made real Christians, inwardly, in the heart and spirit, not in the letter...baptized with the Holy Ghost...and let all our praise be of God.

ROMANS 3:

1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Here, Paul convicts them (his beloved in Rome) even more. They had the "WORDS!"...Words...the oracles of God!...the Jew had great advantages...more knowledge...the greatest advantage was that they had the Holy Scriptures...the promises that told them of the coming Messiah...the Savior.

3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

But God's promises are made only to (obedient) believers...therefore the unbelief of some cannot make this faithfulness of no effect. He will fulfil his promises to his people, and bring his threatened vengeance upon unbelievers...covenant-breakers<<>>those who do not keep the ten commandments...who live a sinful life...He hates worker's of iniquity. Iniquity is sin...sin is the transgression of the law...the law is the ten commandments...all 10 of them.
...to be continued.
In Christ's love...in His truth,
Verna. See the advertisement below... The Seven Deadly Deceptions..Freetruth.info...go there!

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Old 05-16-2010, 09:59 PM
 
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Mike, why do you insist on calling obedience, legalism? You know full well that those that truly keep God's 10C do so not in order to be saved, but because they are saved. I know that you know the difference between the two, don't you?
To the contrary. Some of the legalists on this forum think that if you die with one unconfessed sin that you will go to hell.Moderator cut: off topic

To think that you must avoid sin to avoid hell is legalism.

And there is a difference between a legalist and someone who obeys out of love.

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Old 05-16-2010, 10:13 PM
 
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It was legalistic people such as yourself who came in behind the Apostle Paul and tried to undo what he had taught. Paul addressed the issue of legalism in the book of Romans. Sin does not cause a believer to lose his salvation. Every single sin that will ever be committed in human history, past, present, and future has already been paid for. God does not judge a second time that which has already been judged.

The only issue is this. Acts 16:31. Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. Salvation is conditioned only on faith in Christ. Not on avoidance of sin.

Eternal Security (http://jrcyouth.com/love24.htm - broken link)

Doctrine of Rebound (http://jrcyouth.com/love1.htm - broken link)
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I shall prove otherwise.


I shall prove otherwise.

In Christ's love...In His truth,
Verna.
No you won't. You will simply try to impose legalism on grace.
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Old 05-16-2010, 11:18 PM
 
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Again, folks. You would finally understand legalism vs grace, elect vs non-elect, the Calvinists vs Arminians if you would study The Restitution of All things.

There would be NO MORE of this danged arguing.

Here is a good site that talks about current events, political issues, and the Reconciliation of Things in Heaven and Earth.

Current Events | THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK (http://zedek.us/?page_id=2615 - broken link)
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Old 05-16-2010, 11:21 PM
 
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And there is a difference between a legalist and someone who obeys out of love.
MOST definitely, Mike555. Something we finally agree on!

(By the way, I thought it was interesting that you, Mike555, have been read 555,559 times....If I had caught it a few posts ago, well.....)
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Old 05-17-2010, 05:16 AM
 
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According orthodox fundamentalist Christianity, abortion doctors save more souls than most if not all the christian missionaries ...
Not if you consider that those Dr's are killing millions of babies that, each, might have converted millions to Christ.
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Old 05-17-2010, 05:33 AM
 
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To the contrary. Some of the legalists on this forum think that if you die with one unconfessed sin that you will go to hell.Moderator cut: off topic

To think that you must avoid sin to avoid hell is legalism.

And there is a difference between a legalist and someone who obeys out of love.
Ok, I'm glad to know that you do understand the difference between the two, although I must correct you a bit on your definition of what legalism is. Legalism is the idea that you earn your salvation by keeping the law. To think that you must avoid sin to avoid hell isn't legalism, it is plain common sense. Trying to avoid something doesn't mean you want run into it sometimes but at least you are trying to avoid it. If someone is not trying to avoid sin then they are not trying to have a relationship with Christ.

As to the dying with unconfessed sin? Well ultimately that is between the person and the Holy Spirit. The unpardonable sin is simply a sin that is willfully unconfessed. If the Holy Spirit has convicted a person of a sin in their life that they have refused to confess, well lets just say that I don't want to be that person. If someone took $5 from a classmate in high school, then went on to live a life of crime, but found God in his 40's and lived out the rest of his life serving God, if he has legitimately forgotten about the $5 then I don't see that keeping him out of heaven, but if the Holy Spirit has reminded him of that repeatedly, well...... Like I said ultimately it is between them and the Holy Spirit.
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Old 05-17-2010, 05:38 AM
 
Location: USA Rez
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Default Death is sin

Jesus was a good man, nothing more....Death is salvation from the hell you now stand on and freedom from the "Religions of Books" and Man's mind.

Each child is born with a soul that is pure and sacred...even those aborted. Each soul spends it time here trying to free itself from its physical and mental prison or at least to guide that prison in a sacred manner. And finally, after a short period of time, the soul is freed and joins the ancestors in a state of pure love that will never be experienced in one's mortal life.

Study your books and remain a fool....allow your soul to communicate "directly" with God and your ancestors and you will live in wisdom.

The bible, torah, quaran and Huckleberry Finn are all writings of man...not God....and all fiction...aho
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Old 05-17-2010, 06:22 AM
 
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Rom. 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

It's all about the first Adam and the Last Adam.

For as in Adam (the first Adam) all die so in Christ (the last Adam) shall all be made alive.

"In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them unto infants - Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight."

Systematic Theology = Clueless (just as it should be)
It didn't take long for the URs to hijack this thread too. It never fails.

How did "many" in the Bible verse (Rom. 5:19) turn into "all" in your own words?
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Old 05-17-2010, 06:33 AM
 
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Because they are cute? or what? They didn't have faith...nor believe... where's the loophole?
The Bible says they go to heaven, so they go to heaven.

2 Samuel 12:23 You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive; but when the child died, you arose and ate food." 22He said, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, 'Who knows whether the LORD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?' 23But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me."

David knew he would one day be reunited with his baby in heaven.

All people are born into sin nature, and that means all people will sin and without God they will keep sinning willfully as they grow up. Babies are too young to understand sin, and therefore will not answer for what they do not understand.
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