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Old 08-21-2010, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Baton Rouge LA
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Univiersalism is unbiblical. It leaves the way of truth and places Jesus Christ on the periphery of Godís plan of redemption. It declares repentance out of date, the born-again experience unnecessary, and accuses those who criticize Univiersalism as not understanding the fullness of Godís ďgrace.Ē Godís true grace is in His Son, Jesus Christ. He saves you as an individual. Salvation is an intimate, personal experience with the Lord. It is not an impersonal, universal principle for all mankind.

In the world today many saints witness for Jesus Christ at the risk of their freedom, their well being, and their very lives. One organization that reports on these activities is The Voice of the Martyrs.

These faithful saints live in repressive regimes. The powers that be hate the Gospel and the name of Jesus Christ. It takes great courage and Holy Spirit power to enable these children of God to preach and teach the hope of salvation in Christ.

Many go to prison. Many suffer disfigurement, and many die. They think it is worth it for the privilege of telling the lost about Jesus Christ and His salvation. They believe God enables them to infiltrate the darkness. We believe He does, too.

One wonders what these courageous saints would say to the teachers of the false doctrine of Univiersalism?

More exegesis at the link above.
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Old 08-21-2010, 11:25 PM
 
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Univiersalism is unbiblical. It leaves the way of truth and places Jesus Christ on the periphery of Godís plan of redemption. It declares repentance out of date, the born-again experience unnecessary, and accuses those who criticize Univiersalism as not understanding the fullness of Godís ďgrace.Ē Godís true grace is in His Son, Jesus Christ. He saves you as an individual. Salvation is an intimate, personal experience with the Lord. It is not an impersonal, universal principle for all mankind.

Everything you assert about UR is a lie . . or based on ignorance. Salvation IS universal for all humankind. Jesus took care of that. The individual personal experience you are concerned about is sanctification and its resultant "works of hay, stubble, wood . . or gold, silver, etc." built on the foundation of Jesus Christ.
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Old 08-23-2010, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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Everything you assert about UR is a lie . . or based on ignorance. Salvation IS universal for all humankind. Jesus took care of that. The individual personal experience you are concerned about is sanctification and its resultant "works of hay, stubble, wood . . or gold, silver, etc." built on the foundation of Jesus Christ.
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Of course I believe His death is good enough for everyone. That isn't the point. However, what you bring up according to works of hay, stubble, wood . . or gold, silver, etc." built on the foundation of Jesus Christ, is only about those of the faith....who are built, as temple, on the foundation of Jesus Christ. Good grief...I have seen some eisegesis before, but UR takes the cake. Tentmaker has deeply wounded all of you.
His faulty interpretations have been usurped so methodically by so many people, it is not even funny anymore. The guy needs to rip down his site and repent! He is in a dreamland.

Eschatology gone more seriously wrong than ISLAM!
At least Isalm doesn't distort the salvific work of Christ. They simply deny it. UR.....warps it into a cancer.
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Old 08-24-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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Of course I believe His death is good enough for everyone. That isn't the point. However, what you bring up according to works of hay, stubble, wood . . or gold, silver, etc." built on the foundation of Jesus Christ, is only about those of the faith....who are built, as temple, on the foundation of Jesus Christ. Good grief...I have seen some eisegesis before, but UR takes the cake. Tentmaker has deeply wounded all of you.
Exclusivist nonsense designed to "tickle the ears" of those who desire to be "special."
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His faulty interpretations have been usurped so methodically by so many people, it is not even funny anymore. The guy needs to rip down his site and repent! He is in a dreamland.

Eschatology gone more seriously wrong than ISLAM!
At least Isalm doesn't distort the salvific work of Christ. They simply deny it. UR.....warps it into a cancer.
The ET/Annihilation doctrines warp the Gospel into a fear-producing cancerous growth of evil and hate. UR promotes the growth of love . . . which can in no way be considered cancerous.

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Old 08-24-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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Sciotamicks preaches that all ice cream except Butter Pecan is to be cast into his lake of fire.
Sciotamicks even hates ice cream.
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Old 08-24-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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sciotamicks preaches that all ice cream except butter pecan is to be cast into his lake of fire.
Sciotamicks even hates ice cream.
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:46 PM
 
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Univiersalism is unbiblical. It leaves the way of truth and places Jesus Christ on the periphery of Godís plan of redemption. It declares repentance out of date, the born-again experience unnecessary, and accuses those who criticize Univiersalism as not understanding the fullness of Godís ďgrace.Ē Godís true grace is in His Son, Jesus Christ. He saves you as an individual. Salvation is an intimate, personal experience with the Lord. It is not an impersonal, universal principle for all mankind.

In the world today many saints witness for Jesus Christ at the risk of their freedom, their well being, and their very lives. One organization that reports on these activities is The Voice of the Martyrs.

These faithful saints live in repressive regimes. The powers that be hate the Gospel and the name of Jesus Christ. It takes great courage and Holy Spirit power to enable these children of God to preach and teach the hope of salvation in Christ.

Many go to prison. Many suffer disfigurement, and many die. They think it is worth it for the privilege of telling the lost about Jesus Christ and His salvation. They believe God enables them to infiltrate the darkness. We believe He does, too.

One wonders what these courageous saints would say to the teachers of the false doctrine of Univiersalism?

More exegesis at the link above.

Sciotamicks, where do you dig this crap up?

What the heck is this???....It leaves the way of truth and places Jesus Christ on the periphery of Godís plan of redemption. It declares repentance out of date, the born-again experience unnecessary.

You don't have to agree with UR, we already know that but to deliberately lie? Come on dude.
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:59 PM
 
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Sciotamicks, where do you dig this crap up?

What the heck is this???....It leaves the way of truth and places Jesus Christ on the periphery of God’s plan of redemption. It declares repentance out of date, the born-again experience unnecessary.

You don't have to agree with UR, we already know that but to deliberately lie? Come on dude.
That seems to be Sciotamicks only recourse ... You know what the scriptures say about bearing false witness, and about deceiving and being deceived.
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:11 PM
 
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In the world today many saints witness for Jesus Christ at the risk of their freedom, their well being, and their very lives. One organization that reports on these activities is The Voice of the Martyrs.

These faithful saints live in repressive regimes. The powers that be hate the Gospel and the name of Jesus Christ. It takes great courage and Holy Spirit power to enable these children of God to preach and teach the hope of salvation in Christ.

Many go to prison. Many suffer disfigurement, and many die. They think it is worth it for the privilege of telling the lost about Jesus Christ and His salvation. They believe God enables them to infiltrate the darkness. We believe He does, too.

One wonders what these courageous saints would say to the teachers of the false doctrine of Univiersalism?

More exegesis at the link above.
To answer your question Sciotamicks, a true Christian martyr would ask God to forgive those who persecutes them like Christ did, as Christ commanded we should do, when he commanded that we must bless those who spitefully abuse us, and pray for those who persecute us. We are to love our enemies and not return evil for evil, but we are to overcome evil with Good. These are the things we are commanded by Christ to do if we are to be complete as our father in heaven is complete, and if we are to follow Christs example of love for all humanity.

But what would you do? Would you tell those that persecute you that they were going to burn in hell for ever for persecuting you? Is that what you think that Martyrs should do? Do you think martyrs would hate those of us who teach universal salvation because we teach that God will heal and save even the wicked and unbelieving as he healed and saved Paul, the one time pharisee who persecuted Christians for many years?

Certainly God will punish them that persecute the innocent, but to what end? Does God return evil for evil? Is the purpose of judgment merely to cause others to suffer for suffering sake? Is that not the very definition of returning evil for evil?

I tell you many shall be punished according to their deeds, but for the purpose of rehabilitation and so that they will come to understand the suffering they have caused others and be ashamed and repent and come to a knowledge of the truth and at last finally be saved. And so should our prayers be that God forgive them, even as Christ did pray for those who crucified him.

If you truly loved your enemies as God and Christ love their enemies, and were thus complete as your father in heaven is complete, you would understand this. From your words above it is obvious that you do not, and thus still are not ... Pray that you may be complete as your father is complete, that he teach you to truly love your enemies so that you might be able to overcome evil with good as you were commanded instead of wishing eternal torture on those who persecute our brothers and sisters, and us ...




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Old 08-24-2010, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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Ironmaw, rehab only exists in this life. None other. Your Origen's theology is flawed.
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