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One facet to keep in mind is that the word 'homosexual' is not found in the Bible.
Just as 'pedophile' is not found in the Bible; nor is 'drug-user'.
People made up these words and have then tried to stick them into the Bible, which has given problems in doctrine.
Anytime that anyone makes a new word, and then tries to jam it into the Bible they have problems forming a coherent doctrine.
One the other hand many groups love making up new sins.
You don't need a modern words to decribe something:
'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
You don't need a modern words to decribe something:
'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Exactly, we don't need the modern word lesbian to understand what that verse means.
Exactly, we don't need the modern word lesbian to understand what that verse means.
The easiest way to look at it is to see what the Bible finds acceptable sex. Man-woman couple is acceptable. Everything else is considered sexual immorality. Period.
The easiest way to look at it is to see what the Bible finds acceptable sex. Man-woman couple is acceptable. Everything else is considered sexual immorality. Period.
Except in doing so, is using this logic, you end with a result which is not Biblical.
The Bible never says "Everything else is considered sexual immorality".
We can be very quickly led away from the truths which God gave us, whenever we strive to do this.
The Bible says: 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
So why is there a drive to re-phrase, to wrap-it-up with some other phrasing?
The answer of course is to force it into conforming with man-made doctrine.
God gave us plenty of rules, man does not need to make up more rules.
Except in doing so, is using this logic, you end with a result which is not Biblical.
The Bible never says "Everything else is considered sexual immorality".
We can be very quickly led away from the truths which God gave us, whenever we strive to do this.
The Bible says: 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
So why is there a drive to re-phrase, to wrap-it-up with some other phrasing?
The answer of course is to force it into conforming with man-made doctrine.
God gave us plenty of rules, man does not need to make up more rules.
No need to make them up, since they are already in the Bible, and therefore it is Biblical. Do you really think lesbian sex is acceptable to God because you can't find the word in the Bible. You are looking for loopholes. When you start looking at the Bible form that angle you can end up in trouble. You can't assume that if the Bible does not specifically forbid some particular act using a specific word, then it is acceptable. Drugs was a good example. The Bible does not talk about cocaine, but that does not mean it is acceptable to use it.
Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
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The easiest way to look at it is to see what the Bible finds acceptable sex. Man-woman couple is acceptable. Everything else is considered sexual immorality. Period.
That is your opinion and I have no problem with you having one.
We can see patterns in scripture though that does not leave me to consider it.
If I say that I worship Zeus and justify it because the bible does not tell me that I cannot worship Zeus then I am scripturally in error because God specifically says to have no other Gods before him, this by specific instruction includes the God Zeus.
Where sexual behavior is concerned, there is plenty of specific instruction concerning sexual behavior that to try to apply scriptural wording to the modern term homosexual which includes male and female relationships that are quite natural, you have to infer the NT wording to mean homosexuality.
The point being is that the NT wording can ONLY be applied to homosexuality if you have already concluded that homosexuality is unnatural. You cannot prove that it is, you can only have a personal opinion about it.
No need to make them up, since they are already in the Bible, and therefore it is Biblical. Do you really think lesbian sex is acceptable to God because you can't find the word in the Bible. You are looking for loopholes
I did not say that lesbian sex was okay.
Good luck with your next attempt at putting words into someone else' mouth.
Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
This has no bearing on whether a loving homosexual relationship is wrong.
There are many people male and female who engage in same gender sexual relations that are not homosexuals. They have abandoned their natural tendency to seek love with who they are naturally attracted to and have taken an easy route to sexual gratification and use one another for it and there is no love involved.
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