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Old 05-20-2010, 01:16 PM
 
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Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter ...

Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

2Cr 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.



The bible is inspired and written concerning the truth, but it is not the truth, Christ our lord is the way the truth and the life, not the bible.

In so saying, you have just profaned God and impugned His holy character. Those such as you, likely will never understand. You remain unable to understand the simplest of spiritual truths no matter how clear they are made to you.

 
Old 05-20-2010, 01:39 PM
 
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God has done all the work involved in making salvation possible and available to man. He has done all the work involved in revealing his salvation work to man. Now it is, in keeping with the issue of the angelic conflict, the spiritual warfare that rages all about us, it is up to each individual member of the human race to receive or reject God's offer of salvation. Man gets no credit for making that decision. The bible is clear on that.
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that's contradictory.
No it isn't. It is the most basic issue in the angelic conflict. The very reason man is on the earth in the first place.

The Angelic Conflict; the Spiritual Warfare
 
Old 05-20-2010, 01:50 PM
 
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They didn't have a bible - they desired the voice of God from prophets and the booming voice from heaven. When the Son was manifested, He became the Word incarnate, and from that point on we were to live by the Spirit, not by a book.

Rev 19:13 His name is called the Word of God.

The bible is a treasure, but it is only a vehicle God uses - so was a donkey.
The New Testament Epistles were written after Christ ascended into Heaven. The New Testament Epistles are doctrines given by God for the church. The doctrines of the New Testament Epistles are the means by which, through the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit, the church-age believer grows spiritually. The New Testament Epistles are God's instructions and revelations set down in writing.
 
Old 05-20-2010, 02:13 PM
 
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Where in the bible does it say that the bible is "the word of God"?
Acts 13:6 And when they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, 7) who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The word of God is the word of truth, The Holy Scriptures of Romans 1:2; the sacred writings of 2 Timothy 3:15.

Rom 1:2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures.

2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.


Jesus Christ, the living Word is in Heaven. He is not currently physically on the earth. And while He in His deity indwells the body of the church-age believer, He is not communicating except through His written Word which the Holy Spirit makes perspicacious to the Spirit filled believer.

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Old 05-20-2010, 02:28 PM
 
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The New Testament Epistles were written after Christ ascended into Heaven. The New Testament Epistles are doctrines given by God for the church. The doctrines of the New Testament Epistles are the means by which, through the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit, the church-age believer grows spiritually. The New Testament Epistles are God's instructions and revelations set down in writing.
The point I'm trying to make is the order of superiority - the teaching of the Holy Spirit is what we're both saying - I'm saying God doesn't need a bible to speak, even Job knew that. (33:14)

The bible is a book that does as much damage as the Koran when read with unenlightened eyes - it's the Spirit of God that is the difference. I'm not trashing the bible, but I'm reserving worship for God alone.

The danger is when people don't fear God, and therefore refuse truth when He reveals it, whether He speaks through the written word or other literature, spoken word, however. If we know and depend on Him, we can survive on a desert island without a bible.
 
Old 05-20-2010, 02:51 PM
 
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Acts 13:6 And when they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, 7) who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.
HEAR the word of God... doesn't seem to be talking about the bible. but spoken testimony.

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2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The word of God is the word of truth, The Holy Scriptures of Romans 1:2; the sacred writings of 2 Timothy 3:15.
Any time you speak you have spoken words... well unless you prefer guttural sounds! So realistically the word of truth is any truth that is spoken...

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Rom 1:2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures.

2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Yet we know that the scriptures being referred to are the OT scriptures right? Because Paul could not have been referring to scripture he was writing... right? Or do you think he included the letter in which he wrote in saying "sacred writings"? I doubt Paul knew his letter would become a "sacred writing" years later... do you?
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Jesus Christ, the living Word is in Heaven. He is not currently physically on the earth. And while He in His deity indwells the body of the church-age believer, He is not communicating except through His written Word which the Holy Spirit makes perspicacious to the Spirit filled believer.
Come again. I think I just saw that fly right over my head. Can you dumb that down a bit so I can ingest it? Thanks!
 
Old 05-20-2010, 03:05 PM
 
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Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter ...
Rom 7:6 is dealing with the Mosaic law. It has to do with being set free from it. It has nothing to do with the Scriptures as the word of God. The New Testament Scriptures have nothing to do with the law.

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Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

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Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Rom 2:29 has no connection whatsoever with the Bible as the word of God. The passage is dealing with the distinction between a true Jew (a Jew who has believed in Christ) and a Jew who hasn't believed. It has to do with being born again as opposed to simply observing external ceremonies.

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Romans 2:29 No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.



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2Cr 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Cor7:6 is again the contrast between the letter of the Law, and the Gospel.

The letter of the law kills those who don't obey it's commands. The law couldn't make man perfect. The Gospel on the other hand is the means of eternal life to those who believe it.

Again, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Bible as the word of God. Not a thing.

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Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.


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The bible is inspired and written concerning the truth, but it is not the truth, Christ our lord is the way the truth and the life, not the bible.

Acts 13:6 And when they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, 7) who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The word of God is the word of truth, The Holy Scriptures of Romans 1:2; the sacred writings of 2 Timothy 3:15.

Rom 1:2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures.

2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Jesus Christ, the living Word is in Heaven. He is not currently physically on the earth. And while He in His deity indwells the body of the church-age believer, He is not communicating except through His written Word which the Holy Spirit makes perspicacious to the Spirit filled believer.
 
Old 05-20-2010, 03:12 PM
 
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The New Testament Epistles were written after Christ ascended into Heaven. The New Testament Epistles are doctrines given by God for the church. The doctrines of the New Testament Epistles are the means by which, through the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit, the church-age believer grows spiritually. The New Testament Epistles are God's instructions and revelations set down in writing.
Nonsense . . . 2 Corinthians 3: 2-6 (King James Version)

2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

1 John 2:27 (King James Version)

27But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.
 
Old 05-20-2010, 03:28 PM
 
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It seems that many professing Christians regard the Bible as nothing more then dead letters in a book.
I've never heard anyone say the bible is dead letters in a book. Just curious where you've heard that terminology.
 
Old 05-20-2010, 03:38 PM
 
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The point I'm trying to make is the order of superiority - the teaching of the Holy Spirit is what we're both saying - I'm saying God doesn't need a bible to speak, even Job knew that. (33:14)

The bible is a book that does as much damage as the Koran when read with unenlightened eyes - it's the Spirit of God that is the difference. I'm not trashing the bible, but I'm reserving worship for God alone.

The danger is when people don't fear God, and therefore refuse truth when He reveals it, whether He speaks through the written word or other literature, spoken word, however. If we know and depend on Him, we can survive on a desert island without a bible.
God has decreed that during the dispensation of the Church, He communicates ONLY through His written word. And the Holy Spirit, once He has made the doctrines of the Bible clear to the growing believer, utilizes those doctrines resident in the soul of the believer to guide him.

By God's plan, will, and purpose, during the present time in human history, the Holy Spirit works only with the content of Bible doctrine resident in the soul of the believer. There is no guidance apart from that. The more doctrine a believer knows, the more the Holy Spirit can provide guidance. The Bible, specifically the New Testament Scriptures contain the written instructions by which the church-age believer is to execute the Christian way of life.

And the Bible is not to blame for any perversions that are done in the name of God. Only man himself is responsible. And Satan.

Also, one cannot know God apart from what He has revealed about Himself in the Scriptures. They are the only source of divine revelation in the Church-age. There are not at the present time any prophets, angelic teaching activities, dreams or visions from God. There is only the Bible. And it is the absolute norm and standard by which the Christian must live his life.
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