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Old 05-22-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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We're truly here aren't we?
No.

This is a great thing.
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Old 05-22-2010, 02:36 PM
 
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Apart from the "playing God" issue is this: a big concern about man tinkering with making living cells is we know absolutely nothing about the properties of the new organism. What are going to do if it turns out to be a bacterium/virus that causes serious life-threatening disease? And somehow gets loose out into the population?

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Old 05-22-2010, 03:23 PM
 
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No, that is not what has been done. The DNA that was inserted into the empty cell casing/skin or what ever was synthetic (completely man made) not modified.

Read more: Creating synthetic life is a powerful, dangerous tool (http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Creating+synthetic+life+powerful+dangerous+tool/3060367/story.html#ixzz0oeoAL5mB - broken link)


How many times have the religious used this? "Man cannot create life, so god must have done it." Now that life has been created by man the religious are going to have to find a brand new argument. I wonder what it will be?




The life is not in the genome (DNA) the DNA are the operating instructions, the life is in the cell and what they have done is put their copy of the DNA into a host cell (which has the life in it)


BBC News - 'Artificial life' breakthrough announced by scientists
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Now, the scientists have put both methods together, to create what they call a "synthetic cell", although only its genome is truly synthetic.

Dr Venter likened the advance to making new software for the cell.

The researchers copied an existing bacterial genome. They sequenced its genetic code and then used "synthesis machines" to chemically construct a copy.

HOW A SYNTHETIC CELL
WAS CREATED

Dr Venter likened the advance to making new software for the cell.............


The scientists "decoded" the chromosome of an existing bacterial cell - using a computer to read each of the letters of genetic code

Dr Venter told BBC News: "We've now been able to take our synthetic chromosome and transplant it into a recipient cell - a different organism.

"As soon as this new software goes into the cell, the cell reads [it] and converts into the species specified in that genetic code."

The new bacteria replicated over a billion times, producing copies that contained and were controlled by the constructed, synthetic DNA.

"This is the first time any synthetic DNA has been in complete control of a cell," said Dr Venter.
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You are right....I stand corrected.
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Old 05-22-2010, 06:11 PM
 
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It's ILENE, and what facts? I don't expect you to give God any glory since you don't believe in Him but the scientists wouldn't have squat to work with in the first place if God hadn't already supplied the raw materials.

But the argument is changing for the creationists.First.it was life cannot come from non life.Well,now that has happened.So now the creationists step back to,well God provided the raw materials.Yes,He did.But then that really isn't the point here.Life from non living material is.The point is if it can be done in a lab,then it could have happened spontaneously billions of years ago.
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Old 05-22-2010, 06:14 PM
 
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But what I really came here to say was,what makes the RCC think they have any moral authority to give warnings about moral issues anymore?I for one could care less what the Pope or anyone else in the RCC has to say about anything.
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Old 05-22-2010, 06:22 PM
 
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But the argument is changing for the creationists.First.it was life cannot come from non life.Well,now that has happened.So now the creationists step back to,well God provided the raw materials.Yes,He did.But then that really isn't the point here.Life from non living material is.The point is if it can be done in a lab,then it could have happened spontaneously billions of years ago.
but life has not been made in a lab ......... they have altered the DNA which is not the life.
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Old 05-22-2010, 06:29 PM
 
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But what I really came here to say was,what makes the RCC think they have any moral authority to give warnings about moral issues anymore?I for one could care less what the Pope or anyone else in the RCC has to say about anything.
It is not just the RCC that has concerns about tampering with bacteria and virus and other life forms -- if things are not well controlled there is a very real possibility that widespread harm could be done out of ignorance (or unscrupulousness) of the alterations being done. Even if it is well controlled there could be unforeseen effects that are harmful...
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Old 05-23-2010, 12:20 AM
 
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but life has not been made in a lab ......... they have altered the DNA which is not the life.
No,they created synthetic DNA.The bacteria does not contain any natural DNA,altered or not.It contains synthetic DNA .

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Old 05-23-2010, 03:46 AM
 
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No,they created synthetic DNA.The bacteria does not contain any natural DNA,altered or not.It contains synthetic DNA .
Yes correct - they copied the code of the DNA and made synthetic DNA - but they did not actually create life.
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