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Old 05-22-2010, 04:20 AM
 
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Did God desire all of Israel (the actual people who passed through the Red Sea) to enter to promised land (Canaan)?

Why or why not?
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:34 AM
 
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No, because it was a type and shadow of the Christian life. Only the overcomer (Christ's nature) in you will take the kingdom - this life is the desert experience for the carnal nature, in order to crucify it.

Good thread!
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Old 05-22-2010, 09:08 AM
 
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I am asking the question from the perspective of those people who crossed through the Red Sea. Was it God's intent to lead them to the promised land?

Those people would have no concept of Christ, the coming kingdom, etc.
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Old 05-22-2010, 09:47 AM
 
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I am asking the question from the perspective of those people who crossed through the Red Sea. Was it God's intent to lead them to the promised land?

Those people would have no concept of Christ, the coming kingdom, etc.
Neither does the natural man. The Israelites were given the promise through Abraham, but they plainly showed they were not people of faith, as the faithfulness of God made little lasting effect on them. The thing that kept Israel out of their land was a heart of unbelief.

“Let us therefore fear, lest a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief” (Heb. 4:1-2; 3:19)

You remember how those that spied out the land of Canaan brought back an evil report. On the one hand they said that the land was exceptionally good, but on the other hand they said it was impossible to enter. The people were giants, they said, and the cities fortified and great. They asserted that Israel could never conquer the land; if they tried they would be utterly defeated and devoured. This is how the carnal mind works, because it judges everything after the knowledge of good and evil, not seeing that it's all God's domain.

Jushua on the other hand is a type of Christ.
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Old 05-22-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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Neither does the natural man. The Israelites were given the promise through Abraham, but they plainly showed they were not people of faith, as the faithfulness of God made little lasting effect on them. The thing that kept Israel out of their land was a heart of unbelief.

“Let us therefore fear, lest a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief” (Heb. 4:1-2; 3:19)

You remember how those that spied out the land of Canaan brought back an evil report. On the one hand they said that the land was exceptionally good, but on the other hand they said it was impossible to enter. The people were giants, they said, and the cities fortified and great. They asserted that
Israel could never conquer the land; if they tried they would be utterly defeated and devoured. This is how the carnal mind works, because it judges everything after the knowledge of good and evil, not seeing that it's all God's domain.

Jushua on the other hand is a type of Christ.
I like your whole post, little elmer, but I especially like this sentence below.

"This is how the carnal mind works, because it judges everything after the knowledge of good and evil, not seeing that it's all God's domain."

If we are busy fearing all the darkness, evil, and doom, how are we giving God any glory? If He is sovereign then there is absolutely no reason to fear. And, if we say we trust Him, we have to keep on going no matter what the "spies" say!
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Old 05-22-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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If we are busy fearing all the darkness, evil, and doom, how are we giving God any glory? If He is sovereign then there is absolutely no reason to fear. And, if we say we trust Him, we have to keep on going no matter what the "spies" say!
Well put, herefornow.
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Old 05-22-2010, 10:09 PM
 
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Little Elmer - That is a good answer.

I see the mainstream UR crowd is avoiding the question so far.
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Old 05-23-2010, 09:11 AM
 
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I am asking the question from the perspective of those people who crossed through the Red Sea. Was it God's intent to lead them to the promised land?

Those people would have no concept of Christ, the coming kingdom, etc.
Yes, it was God's intent to lead them to the promised land. While they did not have known of Christ during their mortal lives, they would have been given the opportunity to hear His gospel after they died and were awaiting their resurrections. Accepting Christ is essential to salvation, but clearly all do not have that opportunity while on earth, and God has provided a means by which all can actually have the chance to hear the gospel and either accept or reject it.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:39 AM
 
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Yes, it was God's intent to lead them to the promised land. While they did not have known of Christ during their mortal lives, they would have been given the opportunity to hear His gospel after they died and were awaiting their resurrections. Accepting Christ is essential to salvation, but clearly all do not have that opportunity while on earth, and God has provided a means by which all can actually have the chance to hear the gospel and either accept or reject it.
The question has nothing to do with Christ. This is about Israel and God's promise to return them to the promised land.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:00 AM
 
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Ex. 3:8 - "So I have come down to deliver them from the power of the Egyptians, and to bring them up from that land to a good and spacious land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Amorite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite.

Ex. 12:25 - "When you enter the land which the LORD will give you, as He has promised, you shall observe this rite.

Lev. 14:34 - "When you enter the land of Canaan, which I give you for a possession, and I put a mark of leprosy on a house in the land of your possession,

Lev. 25:38 - `I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan and to be your God.

As you can see from these verses, it was the Lord's full intent to bring the people that passed through the Red Sea to the promised land. There were no conditions mentioned. All were to enter the land.
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