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Old 05-23-2010, 02:07 PM
 
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You claim to love everyone unconditionally.. does that include gay universalists? Would you invite one to dinner or save them from harm?
Yes, indeed, i would...but, that does not negate the fact that God is not ok with their lifestyle...
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:09 PM
 
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Would you give your own life up to save someone elses life who wasn't deserving ?
I did it in Desert Storm and i still put my life in peril for people and do not stop to think if they are deserving or not...i just do because that is the way God has made me...i fear not death or anything else..this is the way God has made me..
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:12 PM
 
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Richard, I didn't ask who the author was speaking to. I'm asking who the EVERY TONGUE group is. Are you saying that it is referring to the only those at Phillipi?

I'm not sure why you having difficulty answering this question. Let me know if you want me to state it differently.
Just because every tongue confesses does not imply willingness in doing so...i pretty much said it already in the reply...
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:16 PM
 
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So there is a problem here sciota... disembodied souls can't be beheaded... they don't have a head. He saw SOULS that were beheaded...Also... at the end of the verse it says they LIVE (quickened) and REIGN with Christ. How can you be beheaded and then LIVE?

Is this symbolism? The head is where the mind is.. a change of mind could be symbolized by beheading... don't ya think?

Ilene was beheaded and now Lives and Reigns with Christ... I have been beheaded.... and now I LIVE!

I don't know why people think the soul is a separate part of us when it is clear in Gen. that spirit + body = soul.

Also Strong's states: From psucho; breath, i.e. (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from pneuma, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from zoe, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew nephesh, ruwach and chay) -- heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.

So what exactly are you trying to say here? Psuche has nothing to do with disembodied souls as you are meaning... but then I thought you were better at exegeses than this!
But, the beheaded where beheaded for Christ...IOW, Martyrs...they were believers...
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:18 PM
 
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it is "into the ages of the ages" not "forever and ever"
  • Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death
Who is outside and city and in the LOF?
sorcerers
whoremongers
murderers
liars
  • Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Those who enter the city, enter through the gates. Obviously they enter from without the city, where they were among the

sorcerers
whoremogerers
murderers
liars

experiencing the LOF and second death.
You are so off on your understanding of that...
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Yes, indeed, i would...but, that does not negate the fact that God is not ok with their lifestyle...
What? How do you know what God is ok with?

I don't know how it would negate anything to help someone who is gay and a universalist... what if your fellow christians accused you of being gay and a universalist because you helped them? What do you do then?
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:19 PM
 
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it is "into the ages of the ages" not "forever and ever"
  • Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death
Who is outside and city and in the LOF?
sorcerers
whoremongers
murderers
liars
  • Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Those who enter the city, enter through the gates. Obviously they enter from without the city, where they were among the

sorcerers
whoremogerers
murderers
liars

experiencing the LOF and second death.
You are so off on that...So, by your own words not everyone will be saved...
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:21 PM
 
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But, the beheaded where beheaded for Christ...IOW, Martyrs...they were believers...
Actually it doesn't really say... Saul was beheaded... Christ took his old mind and restored it.

But the point was that sciota states there are disembodied souls talked about in the bible... I have yet to see where in the bible this talk is.
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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Just because every tongue confesses does not imply willingness in doing so...i pretty much said it already in the reply...
and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Cor 12 verse 3

According to the scripture we can only confess He is Lord by the Holy Ghost .
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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Fundamentalism is to love mercy and to do justly and walk humbly with your God , understanding all the correct doctrines and being opposed to all those who disagree with you to the point where you believe they are not fellow believers is not true fundermentalism but a very poor counterfeit of it.

"Woe to you teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices -- mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law -- justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel" (Matthew 23:23,24)
I neglect neither....but, i know when i see the religious structure that is being set up for the Anti-Christ...
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