Universalism: the cure for war and child abuse? (prayer, atheists, faith)

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by pcamps

you get all touchy and cry slander because someone says Salvation is all of God and we have no part in it and to believe other wise we are taking credit ourselves.

When someone claims I have said something I have not said, or twists my words into meaning something they were onviously not meant to mean, I like to point it out.

Apparently everything is personal with you, or else you would discuss the topic as opposed to discussing me.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by herefornow

Actually, Finn, people already do all these things while saying they are Christian, Muslim, Jewish or whatever.

With UR, or with Satan's universal religion they will do it thinking they are still going to get saved in afterlife. See the deception?

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

When someone claims I have said something I have not said, or twists my words into meaning something they were onviously not meant to mean, I like to point it out.

Apparently everything is personal with you, or else you would discuss the topic as opposed to discussing me.

I was discussing the lie you presented about UR

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

They will love it when they hear they can live as they wish: drink, eat, be merry, fornicate, lie, steal, cheat, hoard money etc, and never open the Bible or Quran and never pray, and they can die denying Christ and Allah etc and after death a merciful and loving God will guide them to heaven. Heck, it is the definition of warm and fuzzy, and why should Satan mention anything about Yeshua? After all, what's the point, since everyone will be saved whether or not they ever hear the name Yeshua?

Like i said you know very well this does not represent UR and no on this board has given you any reason to believe so.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by pcamps

I Like i said you know very well this does not represent UR and no on this board has given you any reason to believe so.

I am talking about Satan's universal religion, which I suspect will be based on UR beliefs. UR teaches that a person does not need Christ to save them while they are still alive because one can be saved after death. Such message will be what Satan will offer. Don't worry about accepting Christ in your life, because he will save you anyway after you die.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

I am talking about Satan's universal religion, which I suspect will be based on UR beliefs. UR teaches that a person does not need Christ to save them while they are still alive because one can be saved after death. Such message will be what Satan will offer. Don't worry about accepting Christ in your life, because he will save you anyway after you die.

UR teaches that we do need a Savior period .

Satan is already using a universal message which different religions are already agreeable on, hell fire for those who reject their message .

Satan uses fear not love , because there is no love in him

I have not given you a spirit of fear but of love and a sound mind . You can never be in a sound mind while you believe in hell fire , which satan knows and why he promotes it.

[herefornow]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

I am talking about Satan's universal religion, which I suspect will be based on UR beliefs. UR teaches that a person does not need Christ to save them while they are still alive because one can be saved after death. Such message will be what Satan will offer. Don't worry about acceptiing Christ in your life, because he will save you anyway after you die.

Gosh darn it, Finn. People around the world ALREADY believe that. How many people KNOW they are going to be set on fire forever? Not a SINGLE person on this planet has EVER thought that the BBQ was for them, truly. They would be running around screaming or locked up somewhere (actually, there are a few of those).

And let me know when the Jews and Muslims want to follow Yeshua. Or even the "Christians" for that matter. Then we will talk. I've told you quite a few times that UR says to follow Yeshua. He is the one that people will meet one day, and they will reap what they have sown.

UR doesn't change a danged thing here, Finn. It's always just been a few of us for hundreds of years. That has not changed. What HAS changed is the Internet. There are ways to connect to each other, now. Before, it was just a guy here and there who had studied the languages and started to ponder all alone. He probably kept it to himself. Otherwise, he could be killed. Sad, but true.

[Finn_Jarber]

And let me know when the Jews and Muslims want to follow Yeshua

The point is that they will like it because they don't have to follow anyone. They will be given the promise of salvation no matter who the follow or don't follow, or what they do or don't do. Complete freedom from Christ or Allah, or any religion, and yet a promise of heaven. That's UR in a nutshell, and that is what they will find so appealing.

Otherwise, he could be killed. Sad, but true

Yes, sadly the penalty for heresy in the old days was usually death in the hands of a Catholic executioner.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

That's UR in a nutshell, and that is what they will find so appealing.

When virtually everybody who actually believes in UR keeps saying that's NOT IT, why do you keep insisting it is? Why not trust the people who believe in UR to explain what it means to them instead of insisting you know better than they do what they really believe?

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Satan is already using a universal message which different religions are already agreeable on, hell fire for those who reject their message .

Satan uses fear not love , because there is no love in him

I have not given you a spirit of fear but of love and a sound mind . You can never be in a sound mind while you believe in hell fire , which satan knows and why he promotes it.

Oh, so it is Satan who promotes hell. LOL That's a good one. Thanks for the giggles.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Oh, so it is Satan who promotes hell. LOL That's a good one. Thanks for the giggles.

No he promotes eternal torment to control and keep you in fear .