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Old 05-24-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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Latte,

Did you seek God first or did he save you and then after he saved you, you follow him and serve him BECAUSE he saved you and loved you first?
Well of course God seek me in my life, He saved and delivered me from a life of self-destruction of sin and am soooooo thankful for His forgiveness and I will love, honor, and serve Him with all my heart because of His great love...... and to forgive me of so much I can not even begin to share !

And to this very day His love and compassion continues to pour in and upon my soul, He is my Father.... He has given me a love I never knew existed and this world nor any human being can never give to me what He has and I will never walk away from Him !! I love my Lord Jesus with all my heart !!
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:30 PM
 
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Well of course God seek me in my life, He saved and delivered me from a life of self-destruction of sin and am soooooo thankful for His forgiveness and I will love, honor, and serve Him with all my heart because of His great love...... and to forgive me of so much I can not even begin to share !

And to this very day His love and compassion continues to pour in and upon my soul, He is my Father.... He has given me a love I never knew existed and this world nor any human being can never give to me what He has and I will never walk away from Him !! I love my Lord Jesus with all my heart !!


Amen and he loves everyone so much that he will not allow them to burn forever.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Washington State
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Well of course God seek me in my life, He saved and delivered me from a life of self-destruction of sin and am soooooo thankful for His forgiveness and I will love, honor, and serve Him with all my heart because of His great love...... and to forgive me of so much I can not even begin to share !

And to this very day His love and compassion continues to pour in and upon my soul, He is my Father.... He has given me a love I never knew existed and this world nor any human being can never give to me what He has and I will never walk away from Him !! I love my Lord Jesus with all my heart !!
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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No body knew Andrea's heart that day but God.....
There are NO, facts and what Dr. Lucy Puryear said, it is only her speculation, not a definite proof that is why Andrea did what she did !! No one can make that kind of judgment, regardless !!!

How could I have left out on purpose when I posted the link to where I got my information, once again you are judging falsely !!!
Gheesh, you asked for proof that she murdered her children because of eternal torment, we provide the proof and you evade the proof by throwing a red herring that she had mental problems.

The ET doctrine is what pushed an already unstable person over the edge.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:21 PM
 
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Gheesh, you asked for proof that she murdered her children because of eternal torment, we provide the proof and you evade the proof by throwing a red herring that she had mental problems.

The ET doctrine is what pushed an already unstable person over the edge.

Eusebius.... I won't argue with you and your false accusations. Only God knows her heart and what truly happen in her mind that day.
I will not stand and judge this womans heart and mind, you can keep doing it all you want....

Later....
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No one who REALLY believes in eternal torment could (in good conscience) ever have children in the first place. In fact - in the ET view EVERY birth is an eternal tragedy as the vast majority will go into eternal agony ("few there be who find it") and the "few" will have loved ones there as well.

My conclusion is that most who say they believe in ET don't really, in their hearts of hearts, believe it at all.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:36 PM
 
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No one who REALLY believes in eternal torment could (in good conscience) ever have children in the first place. In fact - in the ET view EVERY birth is an eternal tragedy as the vast majority will go into eternal agony ("few there be who find it") and the "few" will have loved ones there as well.

My conclusion is that most who say they believe in ET don't really, in their hearts of hearts, believe it at all.

Andrea was not mentally ill based upon the logic of the doctrine she believed.

Based on the doctrine, her children are basking in eternal Joy.

Even if someone says at the cost of her own soul, so what? What greater selflessness would be to endanger your own eternal soul to ensure eternal joy for those you love.

The illustration here shows the depraved nature of the doctrine in the first place.

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Old 05-24-2010, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Washington State
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No one who REALLY believes in eternal torment could (in good conscience) ever have children in the first place. In fact - in the ET view EVERY birth is an eternal tragedy as the vast majority will go into eternal agony ("few there be who find it") and the "few" will have loved ones there as well.

My conclusion is that most who say they believe in ET don't really, in their hearts of hearts, believe it at all.
I don't tell many people this (I believe only my husband knows), but I LOVE babies, LOVE them, and the reason I had only 2 children is because of the doctrine of eternal torment. And, for many years I regretted even having those two.

I'm angry at the Church system for MANY reasons! I refuse to even walk into a church building these days. I KNOW what those doctrines did to my mother, myself, and MANY, MANY others in the past. I have vowed to fight this doctrine with every last cell in my body!

I have been studying, and studying, and studying some more! The doctrine of eternal torment is no joke to me! I believe WHOEVER participated in starting it and perpetuating it will suffer the consequences of their actions. I'm talking about those MEN who thought it would control the masses better and left the deceit intact. And, from what I have been studying, they KNEW what they were doing!!

I believe tradition's of men have sucked the LOVE right out of the body of Christ, whether anybody has recognized it or not!
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Little Elm, TX
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I don't tell many people this (I believe only my husband knows), but I LOVE babies, LOVE them, and the reason I had only 2 children is because of the doctrine of eternal torment. And, for many years I regretted even having those two.

I'm angry at the Church system for MANY reasons! I refuse to even walk into a church building these days. I KNOW what those doctrines did to my mother, myself, and MANY, MANY others in the past. I have vowed to fight this doctrine with every last cell in my body!

I have been studying, and studying, and studying some more! The doctrine of eternal torment is no joke to me! I believe WHOEVER participated in starting it and perpetuating it will suffer the consequences of their actions. I'm talking about those MEN who thought it would control the masses better and left the deceit intact. And, from what I have been studying, they KNEW what they were doing!!

I believe tradition's of men have sucked the LOVE right out of the body of Christ, whether anybody has recognized it or not!
I understand and appreciate where you're coming from herefornow, and while it's one of the hardest things for a follower of Christ, it's also one of the things most commonly used by the Lord to burn out resentment and anger in us. The hardest ones to forgive are often our own brethren, but the wounds of a friend are faithful to do the purpose of which they were meant.

"And one shall say unto Him, What are these wounds in Thine hands? Then He shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of My friends." (Zech 13:6)
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Washington State
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I understand and appreciate where you're coming from herefornow, and while it's one of the hardest things for a follower of Christ, it's also one of the things most commonly used by the Lord to burn out resentment and anger in us. The hardest ones to forgive are often our own brethren, but the wounds of a friend are faithful to do the purpose of which they were meant.

"And one shall say unto Him, What are these wounds in Thine hands? Then He shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of My friends." (Zech 13:6)
Thank you for that post, little elmer. And great verse. I'll have to memorize it.
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