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Old 05-25-2010, 06:37 AM
 
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I have studied this and decided what MR5150 says to be true using all of my reasoning logic having studied scriptures since I was 9 yrs old in 1959.
I might add I can believe what is in the Bible that it was written by men who studied the Holy scritures in Greek, Hebrew, and Arabic languages .
upon hearing what God has said to them , as well as myself.
The Bible IS the true INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. not just some manmade literature ,
IT coinsides whith historical facts . it was and is true today as it was yesterday or centuries ago.

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I read this post and decided to address the issue using what the Bible says.




My understanding is that Jesus is indeed God in the flesh. God made Himself flesh and hung out with humans for about 33 years. I believe this because of what I have read in the Bible.

My understanding:

There are a number of scriptures that state the same attribute for God and Jesus. Jesus and God cannot both possess these particular attributes, unless they are one and the same.

Compare what is said about God and Jesus:

As Creator of all things:
God: Genesis 1:1
Jesus: Colossians 1:16

As Savior
God: Isaiah 43:11
Jesus: Titus 3:6

The Alpha and Omega:
God: Revelation 21:6
Jesus: Revelation 22:13

The First and the Last:
God: Isaiah 44:6
Jesus: Revelation 1:17 & 2:8

Every Knee Shall Bow to me:

God: Isaiah 45:23
Jesus: Philippians 2:10-11

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Read John 10:30-33 --Jesus said, I and My Father are one.”
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

See what the Jews said in reaction to Jesus saying He and the Father were one. They knew what Jesus meant.

And look at what the Jews said in Luke 5:20-25--When Jesus saw their faith, He said to him, “Man, your sins are forgiven you.” And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, “Why are you reasoning in your hearts? Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise up and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the man who was paralyzed, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” Immediately he rose up before them, took up what he had been lying on, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.

The Jews were correct in saying that only God can forgive sins.

We have scriptures that say Jesus is God such as John 1:1--In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And then John 1:14-- And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. (bear in mind that God can be in two or more places at once.)

Phil 2:5-8 says: Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

1Tim 3:16 says: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory. (NKJV)


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Old 05-25-2010, 06:52 AM
 
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Smile the Word says

The Word of God says :
God the Father , God the Son and God the Holy Spirit ARE one and the same,
I do not understand it as men are not that intelligent , but I believe it because God said so , I will wait until I get to heaven to have it explained to me, until then I will accept it on faith alone.

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What I believe is that Jesus is the Son ..... of ..... God.

God is his FATHER

And through him we will be reconciled to God.

He came from his Father to do his Fathers will -- not his own will.
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:34 AM
 
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The Word of God says :
God the Father , God the Son and God the Holy Spirit ARE one and the same,
Really? What Bible says that? Please give book, chapter and verse.
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Old 05-25-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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Really? What Bible says that? Please give book, chapter and verse.
Read the thread.
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Old 05-25-2010, 03:17 PM
 
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Read the thread.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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i read this post and decided to address the issue using what the bible says.
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jesus christ was a son of god. And i really do not understand why anyone believes that jesus was or, much less, is god. God is an entity and bodiless energy and/or lifeforce, and jesus was a living, breathing human being born of this earth and concrete; simply because jesus did (according to some, myself included) embody the spirit of god at one point (and the length of time is certainly debatable) during his life, does not make him god. Where, and how is it exactly that people get the idea that jesus and god are one in the same?!? While i certainly can accept the fact that some people like to worship jesus as if he were a god, i as well hope those who do are willing to accept the fact that they are worshipping a human being, period. While jesus may have represented all that god was, and may have been the embodiment of god, jesus was still a living, breathing, walking man, period. One helluva cool, beautiful man, yes. One who would be pretty confused by, not to mention utterly disgusted with a good lot of his followers...
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my understanding is that jesus is indeed god in the flesh. God made himself flesh and hung out with humans for about 33 years. I believe this because of what i have read in the bible.

My understanding:

there are a number of scriptures that state the same attribute for god and jesus. Jesus and god cannot both possess these particular attributes, unless they are one and the same.

compare what is said about god and jesus:

as creator of all things:
god: Genesis 1:1
jesus: Colossians 1:16

as savior
god: Isaiah 43:11
jesus: Titus 3:6

the alpha and omega:
god: Revelation 21:6
jesus: Revelation 22:13

the first and the last:
god: Isaiah 44:6
jesus: Revelation 1:17 & 2:8

every knee shall bow to me:

god: Isaiah 45:23
jesus: Philippians 2:10-11

****************
read john 10:30-33 --jesus said, i and my father are one.”
then the jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “many good works i have shown you from my father. For which of those works do you stone me?” the jews answered him, saying, “for a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy, and because you, being a man, make yourself god.”

see what the jews said in reaction to jesus saying he and the father were one. They knew what jesus meant.

and look at what the jews said in luke 5:20-25--when jesus saw their faith, he said to him, “man, your sins are forgiven you.” and the scribes and the pharisees began to reason, saying, “who is this who speaks blasphemies? who can forgive sins but god alone?” but when jesus perceived their thoughts, he answered and said to them, “why are you reasoning in your hearts? Which is easier, to say, ‘your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘rise up and walk’? But that you may know that the son of man has power on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the man who was paralyzed, “i say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” immediately he rose up before them, took up what he had been lying on, and departed to his own house, glorifying god.

the jews were correct in saying that only god can forgive sins.

we have scriptures that say jesus is god such as john 1:1--in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god. and then john 1:14-- and the word became flesh and dwelt among us. (bear in mind that god can be in two or more places at once.)

phil 2:5-8 says: let this mind be in you which was also in christ jesus, who, being in the form of god, did not consider it robbery to be equal with god, but made himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

1tim 3:16 says: and without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

god was manifested in the flesh,
justified in the spirit,
seen by angels,
preached among the gentiles,
believed on in the world,
received up in glory. (nkjv)


Indeed, Jesus Christ is God. He is co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and with God the Holy Spirit.

And understanding that He is God is necessary for salvation. A person must believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved. But if a person doesn't understand that Jesus Christ is God, then he doesn't believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible. If a person doesn't understand that Jesus Christ is God, then he has an improper object for his faith. He is believing in another Jesus. One who doesn't exist and cannot save him.

The Bible is absolutely clear on who Jesus Christ is. It is generally cults who profess to believe in Christ but deny His deity.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:53 PM
 
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The Word of God says :
God the Father , God the Son and God the Holy Spirit ARE one and the same...
No, actually it doesn't. It says they are "one." It does not say they are "one and the same."
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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Indeed, Jesus Christ is God. He is co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and with God the Holy Spirit.
Explain "co-equal" in light of the fact that Christ was sent by His Father, prayed to His Father, did everything His Father commanded, and specifically said that His Father was greater than He? Even before He was born, He created the universe, but it was under His Father's direction. And today, He sits on the right hand of His Father (implying a position of subordination). He has said that He does not even know the time of His Second Coming, that only His Father has that knowledge.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:24 PM
 
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Explain "co-equal" in light of the fact that Christ was sent by His Father, prayed to His Father, did everything His Father commanded, and specifically said that His Father was greater than He? Even before He was born, He created the universe, but it was under His Father's direction. And today, He sits on the right hand of His Father (implying a position of subordination). He has said that He does not even know the time of His Second Coming, that only His Father has that knowledge.
I would suggest you refer to the OP. Then get back to me.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:35 PM
 
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I would suggest you refer to the OP. Then get back to me.
Okay, I re-read it and I'm back! I believe that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament, and that prior to His birth He was known as Jehovah. Consequently, I believe that the verses in the Old Testament that you have referenced are describing the pre-mortal Jesus Christ. (I do not believe that God the Father is Jehovah. If I were to refer to Him by some other name or title, it would be Elohim.) Incidentally, I've used the same verses you did as evidence to support my belief. I could give you at least a dozen more like them.
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