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Old 05-25-2010, 07:34 PM
 
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ARE OUR SINS BLOTTED OUT ?

Micah 7: 19
19He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea



Isaiah 43:25-26 (King James Version)



25I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. 26Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.


Hebrews 8:12 (King James Version)


12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember NO more.


Hebrews 10:17 (King James Version)


17And their sins and iniquities will I remember NO more.




SDA CHURCH PROPHET SAYS NO!

EGW NO "The work of the investigative judgment and the blotting out of sin is to be accomplished before the second advent of our Lord" (GC 4 58) .

EGW NO "At the time appointed for the judgment - the close of the 2300 days in 1844 - began the work of investigation and blotting out of sins." (Christ in His Sanctuary 122).
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Old 05-26-2010, 05:29 PM
 
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Jesus may not be removing out sin at that prophets church and still remember sin over there, BUT in the church were I go and many other churches the Lord Gods children are being cleaned of sin and becoming more rightous than most people in the past in these days ........ Jesus said if you Blapheme the Holy Spirit then your sins will not be forgiven in this temporal life or the life to come..... Holy Spirit delivers the removing of sin for Jesus so the people can build the fruit of the Spirit for their Worship to the Lord in Spirit and truth..... We Blapheme Holy Spirit by pushing Holy Spirit away and pushing Jesus away will blaspheme Holy Spirit.....Legalism and The letter of the Word of God will blaspheme Holy Spirit.....
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Old 05-29-2010, 10:06 AM
 
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Jesus may not be removing out sin at that prophets church and still remember sin over there, BUT in the church were I go and many other churches the Lord Gods children are being cleaned of sin and becoming more rightous than most people in the past in these days ........ Jesus said if you Blapheme the Holy Spirit then your sins will not be forgiven in this temporal life or the life to come..... Holy Spirit delivers the removing of sin for Jesus so the people can build the fruit of the Spirit for their Worship to the Lord in Spirit and truth..... We Blapheme Holy Spirit by pushing Holy Spirit away and pushing Jesus away will blaspheme Holy Spirit.....Legalism and The letter of the Word of God will blaspheme Holy Spirit.....
Would you agree that the church of that prophet who's sin's are NOT blotted out are LOST because they were all decieved by SATAN and his false prophet?
These people still believe that JESUS has NOT finished the ATONEMENT to this present day!! They claim that the FINAL ATONEMENT is in the future when JESUS places the redeemed sins on SATAN and SATAN becomes the final sin bearer. That is their beliefs thru their prophet as the ATONEMENT.
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:58 PM
 
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Even though I am a Full-Preterist and believe that sin was taken care of in the 1st Century, to state that God doesn't forgive sin in one denomination is quite unfair.

The same argument can be said of anyone who believe Hebrews 9 is not fulfilled entirely(which are most Churches today), where it ends with the 2nd appearing of Christ, "UNTO SALVATION" which is the fulfillment of the atonement and Salvation. They believe it will be fully completed at the 2nd appearing and yet no one stops repenting and not believing that God forgives them now(Salvation.) Your theological argument condemns then all other Churches as well, not just SDA.

My point is that God does forgive your sins regardless of your denomination or your specific views of the sacriments, evangelism, and charismatic beliefs and even eschatology which are a non-essential. All Churches, whether Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox who believe Jesus is the Son of God and whose shed blood on calvary covers us, and who have called on the name of the Lord are saved and their sins forgiven(repentance.)

The argument posted is unfair to our SDA brothers and sisters who truly love the Lord Christ and turn to him for salvation. Also, many SDA members personally reject the teachings of EGW and even if they didn't. All who call on the name of the Lord are saved and their sins forgiven.

We must be careful and judging others based on theology or doctrines that we may not agree with. If we did, every denomination in the Christian spectrum would fight with one another. It is the common, Jesus Christ that we all have as our Lord and Savior.
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Old 05-29-2010, 09:21 PM
 
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SDA?

That's one Church (is it really?) that makes Jesus himself sit like this ~~>
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:51 PM
 
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Mrs. White teaches that NO sins were blotted out until 1844-"at the close of the 2300 days, in 1844, BEGAN the work of investigation AND THE BLOTTING OUT OF SINS" (G.C.,p.552).

The following quotations will be taken from her book 'THE GREAT CONTROVERSY.' On page 546, she says, "In 1844, attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest entered the holy of holies, and there appears in the presence of God, to engage in the last acts of His ministration in behalf of man-to perform the work of investigative judgment, and to MAKE ATONEMENT for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits." (Quotes from 'Great Controversy', 1927 Ed.)

Yet in Hebrews 9:26-28 it says that Christ "put away sin, once, by the sacrifice of Himself" and "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many", and again in Hebrews 10:10, "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL", and in verse 14, "For by ONE offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified."

  1. Mrs. White teaches that an "Investigative Judgment" began in 1844, that only the cases of the righteous come up for investigation in this judgment and the purpose is "to determine" who are saved. Here is her statement: "In 1844...our High Priest entered the holy of holies... to perform the work of investigative judgment. The only cases considered are those of the professed people of God" (p.546). "All who have ever taken upon themselves the name of Christ must pass its searching scrutiny"(p.552). "This work of examination of character, of determining who are prepared for the kingdom of God, is that of the Investigative Judgment"(p.489). "There must be an examination of the books of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ are entitled to the benefits of His atonement"(p.480).

Mrs. White taught that Jesus moved from the first apartment of the heavenly sanctuary into the MOST HOLY PLACE in 1844, and that those who did not believe this doctrine, Satan answered their prayers when they prayed for the Holy Spirit.
Here is her statement:

"I saw the Father rise from the throne and in a flaming chariot go into the holy of holies within the VEIL, and sit down. Then Jesus rose up from the throne and the most of those who bowed down arose with Him. Then a cloudy chariot...came to where Jesus was. He stepped into the chariot and was borne to the throne; they did not know that Jesus had left it. Satan appeared to be by the throne, trying to carry on the work of God. I saw them look up to the throne and say, 'Father give us the Spirit.' Satan would than breathe upon them an unholy influence..."(E.W.,p.55,56).
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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Bible: " --- we have redemption, through His blood the forgiveness of sins. (Eph 1:7)

EGW: "The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was NOT to cancel sin, it was to stand in the sanctuary until the final atonement". (PP 357)
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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Bible: "our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement" (30 ad) (Rom 5:11+1

EGW: "Jesus entered the most holy of the heavenly, at the end of the 2300 days of Daniel 8, in 1844, to make a final atonement --- " (E W 253; see also RH Nov 30, 1888; GC 623)
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:36 PM
 
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The Closing Work of Atonement And
]Who Are Entitled To Its Benefits?
"...In 1844 Christ then entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, to perform the closing work of atonement, preparatory to His coming" (The Great Controversy, page 481); ". . . To make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits" (Ibid., page 456).
EGW states that Jesus entered the most holy place in 1844 to "perform the closing work of atonement" and to make an atonement for all "who are shown to be entitled to its benefits". There is not one Bible text that tells us that Jesus entered the "Most Holy" in 1844 or that his atonement was only for those "entitled to its benefits."
The Bible tells us that Jesus entered the Most Holy after his resurrection and sat on the Father's Throne.
The Word of God proves Ellen G. White and the SDA Church a liar when they say Jesus was not in the Most Holy place till 1844!
Eph 1:20(NIV) 20which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,
Col 3:1 (NIV) 1Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.
1 Pet 3:22 - 22 (NIV) 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
Heb 1:3 (NIV) 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Heb 9:12 (NIV) 12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
Heb 10:12 (NIV) 12But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.
Heb 10:19 (NIV) 19Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 12:2 (NIV) 2Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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Old 05-31-2010, 05:39 AM
 
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Jesus DOES NOT intercede for non-Adventists.


By EGW SDA Prophet.

"I saw that as the Jews crucified Jesus, so the nominal churches had crucified these messages [1844 & of the Investigative Judgment], and therefore they have NO KNOWLEDGE knowledge of the way into the most holy, and they cannot be benefited by the intercession of Jesus there. Like the Jews, who offered THEIR USELESS SACRIFICES, THEY OFFER UP THEIR USELESS PRAYERS TO THE APARTMENT which Jesus has LEFT!; and Satan, pleased with the deception, assumes a religious character, and leads the MINDS of these PROFESSED CHRISTIANS TO HIMSELF" ... Early Writings, p. 261.
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