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Stop playing games. Times short, I know, you know better that what you've written here, right? So stop it!! Let's help bring them in, not confuse them. Surely we can do that, yes?
How do we bring them in?
I don't believe in fear messages to "save people" I believe that Jesus Saves. Sorry.
That's what you've 'heard', this is what's known........ 'We'll get what we deserve'! Can YOU handle it?
We are talking about something entirely different. We all reap what we sow, we indeed will all get what we deserve.
However, that is NOT the issue. The issue is if, as you say, God desires it, IT WILL happen.
Do you actually believe that if God desires it, it will happen, this is what you have said, this is what you proclaim to believe? Or are these just words typed out that sound good to you?
If you really believe as you say, then God will save all mankind, because he desires it.
1Ti 2:4 Who wills that all =mankind be saved and |come into a realization of the truth.
No one will perish, because God desires that they do not.
2Pt 3:9 . The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
We seem to have found an area where we agree Betsy, I do believe that what God desires will happen.
2Pt 3:9 . The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Oh really? How is that when he created the heavens and the Earth? He always gets what he wants because he created everything and everything is to his command.
But only if it fits within your box that contains your idea of god, correct? Because there is unfathomable suffering going on all the time. People are suffering through cancers, billions lives in poverty, people are raped and worse, get stoned to death or beheaded, get orphaned when their parents die in car crashes, get sold as sex slaves, etc etc. But it's all good because god gets what he wants and commands.
We are talking about something entirely different. We all reap what we sow, we indeed will all get what we deserve.
However, that is NOT the issue. The issue is if, as you say, God desires it, IT WILL happen.
Do you actually believe that if God desires it, it will happen, this is what you have said, this is what you proclaim to believe? Or are these just words typed out that sound good to you?
If you really believe as you say, then God will save all mankind, because he desires it.
1Ti 2:4 Who wills that all =mankind be saved and |come into a realization of the truth.
No one will perish, because God desires that they do not.
2Pt 3:9 . The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
We seem to have found an area where we agree Betsy, I do believe that what God desires will happen.
2Pt 3:9 . The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Can you handle that?
That's EXACTLY why He sent HIS SON!! There's no other way. There's a key that opens an "unbreakable box", no key, no entrance! I can desire to get in all I want, but I must possess the key; hence the only way in! YOU cannot bypass the SON, the 'key" and go straight to the throne! HE is the KEY! A blueprint has been provided for us on how to obtain that 'key', pick a version!!
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (NIV)
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. (NLT)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)
For God had such love for the world that he gave his only Son, so that whoever has faith in him may not come to destruction but have eternal life. (Bible in Basic English)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, that whoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Webster's Bible Translation)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. (English Revised Version)
NO EXCUSES!! NONE! He gave us something to life eternal..........He gave the KEY!! Grasp it! Use it! You cannot pick this lock, sorry. Accept the KEY, unlock the door and let Him in and quit talking nonsense.
Can handle it.
Last edited by Betsey Lane; 02-13-2011 at 05:26 PM..
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