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Old 07-06-2015, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Hyrule
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If I'm not mistaken, don't all of you think what you believe is the truth? If not then I'd go shopping for another. I would think if you are going to dedicate your whole life to something, you might want to check and make sure you actually believe it to be true.
Of course with that will come the obvious. You'll be insulting anyone who doesn't believe the way you do but, since when do or can you care about that?
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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Preposterous! Based on WHAT criteria???The incidences of completely opposite values and mores in the Bible are legion. The absolutely ridiculous attempts to merge the revelations of Christ about the TRUE NATURE of God with the OT ignorance and superstition are pathetic. They corrupt every value revealed by Christ under the context of a wrathful, jealous (very human) God who works in mysterious ways and says "Do as I say not as I do."
Those who have God's spirit see the reality of the agreement and the explanations of events that only come with that spirit, and those who don't are blinded to it, as Jesus said would be the case. I prefer Jesus to anyone who claims to know better.

The blinding is why we have so many denominations (as well as individuals who claim God's spirit). They really all follow someone who says they have the promised Spirit and that they are right and the Bible isn't. They simply prove the Bible true.
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:05 PM
 
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If I'm not mistaken, don't all of you think what you believe is the truth? If not then I'd go shopping for another. I would think if you are going to dedicate your whole life to something, you might want to check and make sure you actually believe it to be true.
Of course with that will come the obvious. You'll be insulting anyone who doesn't believe the way you do but, since when do or can you care about that?
Yes, kinda like those who believe Evolution is true, those who believe they are led by God's spirit and are in disagreement with others who claim the same. They can't accept that they may be wrong. They can't accept another touchstone than their own belief. They ALL reject the Bible,while selectively quoting it.
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:06 PM
 
Location: GOVERNMENT of TRAITORS & NAZIS
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Those who have God's spirit see the reality of the agreement and the explanations of events that only come with that spirit, and those who don't are blinded to it, as Jesus said would be the case. I prefer Jesus to anyone who claims to know better.

The blinding is why we have so many denominations (as well as individuals who claim God's spirit). They really all follow someone who says they have the promised Spirit and that they are right and the Bible isn't. They simply prove the Bible true.
Ounds like "warm fuzzy feelings" as told by my missionary friends.

Ask God if he is real and he will tell you?
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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Preposterous! Based on WHAT criteria???The incidences of completely opposite values and mores in the Bible are legion. The absolutely ridiculous attempts to merge the revelations of Christ about the TRUE NATURE of God with the OT ignorance and superstition are pathetic. They corrupt every value revealed by Christ under the context of a wrathful, jealous (very human) God who works in mysterious ways and says "Do as I say not as I do."
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Those who have God's spirit see the reality of the agreement and the explanations of events that only come with that spirit, and those who don't are blinded to it, as Jesus said would be the case. I prefer Jesus to anyone who claims to know better.
The blinding is why we have so many denominations (as well as individuals who claim God's spirit). They really all follow someone who says they have the promised Spirit and that they are right and the Bible isn't. They simply prove the Bible true.
You talk as if the Spirit is something arbitrary or ambiguous or difficult to understand. It is not. It is clear and 1 Cor 13, the Sermon on the Mount and Galatians 5, etc. detail the Spirit of agape love so there can be no doubt. When THAT Spirit is applied to your precious scriptures they fail miserably to be consistent and non-contradictory. That is why they all must be tested against the Spirit of agape love (who IS God). Your forced pretense that there are no contradictions or inconsistencies is absurd on it face.
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Old 07-06-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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Yes, kinda like those who believe Evolution is true, those who believe they are led by God's spirit and are in disagreement with others who claim the same. They can't accept that they may be wrong. They can't accept another touchstone than their own belief. They ALL reject the Bible,while selectively quoting it.
Of course, that couldn't possibly apply to you.
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Old 07-06-2015, 01:44 PM
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Of course, that couldn't possibly apply to you.
Of course.
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:05 PM
 
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You talk as if the Spirit is something arbitrary or ambiguous or difficult to understand. It is not. It is clear and 1 Cor 13, the Sermon on the Mount and Galatians 5, etc. detail the Spirit of agape love so there can be no doubt. When THAT Spirit is applied to your precious scriptures they fail miserably to be consistent and non-contradictory. That is why they all must be tested against the Spirit of agape love (who IS God). Your forced pretense that there are no contradictions or inconsistencies is absurd on it face.
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Yes, kinda like those who believe Evolution is true, those who believe they are led by God's spirit and are in disagreement with others who claim the same. They can't accept that they may be wrong. They can't accept another touchstone than their own belief. They ALL reject the Bible,while selectively quoting it.
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Of course, that couldn't possibly apply to you.
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Of course.
He pretends there is some question about what is consistent with and compatible with the Spirit . . . as if it is something to be personally decided. He has decided that the contradictory and morally bankrupt parts of the Bible are consistent with the Spirit . . . NOT because they are . . . but because he says so. The Bible MUST be consistent and the Spirit MUST conform to WHATEVER is in the Bible . . . which is preposterous.
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Old 07-06-2015, 09:20 PM
 
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I would think the loving benchmark would be a Creator who takes no delight in the death of someone wicked and wants all to attain to repentance. However, is it loving for a Creator to continue allowing those who want to live in peace to be victims of those who refuse? Yet, any adverse action, for example, as to who gains everlasting life and who does not belongs to God who has appointed Christ. Christ Jesus lived as one of us and knows all the joys, the sorrows, the pain and difficulties of human existence. We can be confident in divine decisions. That is not the case with imperfect human thinking or judgment.
In essence what you are saying is: What is impossible for men - is also impossible for God?
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Old 07-07-2015, 01:21 PM
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I believe that there is only one True Religion, but I don't believe it is Jehovah's Witnesses.
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