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Old 07-21-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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All who listen to Jesus aren't hungry, or homeless, or lack clothes--they applied this--Matt 6:33( the permanent fix to those things)= Therefore, keep on seeking -FIRST- the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--you seemed to have missed how important spirituality is to one, just as important as food and clothes. maybe even the most important of the 3.
So just by teaching a single teaching is not the most important work being done-- teaching one to live by every utterance from God as Jesus said man needs to do is much more important. Then they learn how to do Gods will 24/7-365--and that will is the work Jesus started--the preaching of the good news of Gods kingdom worldwide--it is being accomplished now.
Correct, a person truly seeking God, willing to follow His directions will have their basic needs taken care of by God, in one way or another. God does not lie and as you note:

KJV Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
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Old 07-22-2015, 05:48 AM
 
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All who listen to Jesus aren't hungry, or homeless, or lack clothes--they applied this--Matt 6:33( the permanent fix to those things)= Therefore, keep on seeking -FIRST- the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--you seemed to have missed how important spirituality is to one, just as important as food and clothes. maybe even the most important of the 3.
So just by teaching a single teaching is not the most important work being done-- teaching one to live by every utterance from God as Jesus said man needs to do is much more important. Then they learn how to do Gods will 24/7-365--and that will is the work Jesus started--the preaching of the good news of Gods kingdom worldwide--it is being accomplished now.
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Correct, a person truly seeking God, willing to follow His directions will have their basic needs taken care of by God, in one way or another. God does not lie and as you note:

KJV Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

First, our concern should NOT be those who "listen" to the voices in their heads (though I do get some graet ideas every now and then) The least of thes, whom Jesus told us we were to PROVIDE for, must be cared for--regardless of if they are "listening" or "seeking" they are, as Jesus said, representative of HIM--as you have doen to the elast of these, you have done for Christ.

Secondly, if God truley provided for those "seeking" Him or for those "willing to follow" does that mean--I am goinf to say this with a straight face if I can--THE POOR ARE GODLESS?? ROFLMMFAO

Sorry, I could stop my self from LAUGHING at this idea..REALLY? If God provides for his followers, logic says those who are not provide the basics arer GODLESS...

WHO DID JESUS FEED WITH THE LOAVES AND FISHES? Surely NOT NOT the provided...HE FED THE HUNGRY, the LEAST OF US....

It is complete blasphemy to say the following is provided for (I AM WEALTHY SO GOD LOVES ME name it and claim mentality) while those not provided are outside of God's grace?
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Old 07-22-2015, 02:30 PM
 
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First, our concern should NOT be those who "listen" to the voices in their heads (though I do get some graet ideas every now and then) The least of thes, whom Jesus told us we were to PROVIDE for, must be cared for--regardless of if they are "listening" or "seeking" they are, as Jesus said, representative of HIM--as you have doen to the elast of these, you have done for Christ.

Secondly, if God truley provided for those "seeking" Him or for those "willing to follow" does that mean--I am goinf to say this with a straight face if I can--THE POOR ARE GODLESS?? ROFLMMFAO

Sorry, I could stop my self from LAUGHING at this idea..REALLY? If God provides for his followers, logic says those who are not provide the basics arer GODLESS...

WHO DID JESUS FEED WITH THE LOAVES AND FISHES? Surely NOT NOT the provided...HE FED THE HUNGRY, the LEAST OF US....

It is complete blasphemy to say the following is provided for (I AM WEALTHY SO GOD LOVES ME name it and claim mentality) while those not provided are outside of God's grace?
All man needs = sustenance, covering, spirituality. they don't need a 42 inch tv to survive or a lexus, etc.
God didn't promise anyone wealth, he promised those 3 things. Those with wealth, seek wealth, not Gods kingdom or his righteousness. One cannot serve Mammon and God.
The majority on earth do not know God. He is YHVH( Jehovah) they are not taught to do this( John 4:22-24) in 97% of all religions that claim to be Christian. They are taught to seek Jesus' righteousness, because those teachers do not listen to Jesus. In those religions everyones ears are tickled with--you are saved or born again--they go through life believing that and do not bother learning and applying all that Jesus taught. the majority of them go to church on Christmas and easter and that is it--they never pick up a bible to learn what Jesus taught. How can one possibly know Gods will unless they listen to all that Jesus taught? Only those who live to do Gods will, get to enter his kingdom( be saved) Matt 7:21) and one must endure till the end( living now doing Gods will) to be saved-Matt 10:22)-- so by a mortal telling another they are saved now is pure bull--it does pull in many tithes though.
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Old 07-22-2015, 05:59 PM
 
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First, our concern should NOT be those who "listen" to the voices in their heads (though I do get some graet ideas every now and then) The least of thes, whom Jesus told us we were to PROVIDE for, must be cared for--regardless of if they are "listening" or "seeking" they are, as Jesus said, representative of HIM--as you have doen to the elast of these, you have done for Christ.
The verse you are referring to defines the "least" as his brothers. In context that is called and chosen believers, not every person. Context counts. So the directive is to care for the least of our brothers.

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Secondly, if God truley provided for those "seeking" Him or for those "willing to follow" does that mean--I am goinf to say this with a straight face if I can--THE POOR ARE GODLESS?? ROFLMMFAO
UH, read the verse again.

Matthew 6:31-33 31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Yep it does not speak if riches, just basic necessities. While each may experience some level of poverty, they will not be left without the basic necessities. God provides through Governments, and fellow believers and in other ways. Being poor is a non issue. After all Jesus was poor financially and most of the apostles were. Even Paul worked for his needs (Tent maker).

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Sorry, I could stop my self from LAUGHING at this idea..REALLY? If God provides for his followers, logic says those who are not provide the basics arer GODLESS...
No, as various problems can occur like war, etc. However even then true believers are cared for even if only at a minimum level. After all how many people here in the US do you know starve to death and are genuine believers?

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WHO DID JESUS FEED WITH THE LOAVES AND FISHES? Surely NOT NOT the provided...HE FED THE HUNGRY, the LEAST OF US....
At that point in time, fellow Jews who were members of his people/nation and believed in God. In effect spiritual brothers at that point in time. Context

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It is complete blasphemy to say the following is provided for (I AM WEALTHY SO GOD LOVES ME name it and claim mentality) while those not provided are outside of God's grace?
Now I would agree with that as being focused on money displays a focus on something other than Jesus and doing as he did.
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Old 07-24-2015, 06:01 AM
 
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Did the Samaritan take care of his "brother?"

So you are saying we have NO obligation to others if they are not believers aka brothers?

Since very few people believed Jesus, when he performed the miracles for the people, how could they have been "brothers" or believers? Did Christ not do for the least of these dispite them NOT being "brothers?"
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Old 07-24-2015, 11:15 AM
 
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Did the Samaritan take care of his "brother?"
No, not his brother. Read the account it was his "neighbor" Samaritans and Jews were NOT "brothers" and were in fact in opposition with each other. Helps if you actually read and understand before drawing a conclusion.

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So you are saying we have NO obligation to others if they are not believers aka brothers?
No, you are again not seeing the difference between a brother and a neighbor. Both are to be helped but in context in differing ways.

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Since very few people believed Jesus, when he performed the miracles for the people, how could they have been "brothers" or believers? Did Christ not do for the least of these dispite them NOT being "brothers?"
Jesus was sent to the Jews and had minimal contact with non Jews or Proselytes of Judaism. His brothers THEN were such. They were all believers in God as they all worshiped at the same place, the temple. Next the feeding of the crowds was on occasions when they came to him to hear him teach and were there a long time. Feeding them was not a preplanned event at all, which is why it took a miracle. If we accept your position on the event we all need to be able to miraculously produce food beyond what we have after people come to hear us teach.

United believers who worship together, Brothers, help each other at an individual and congregational level. Non "brothers" are helped as the Good Samaritan illustration showed, by individuals as they can.

Gotta understand the context and the meaning of the events. If one does not accept the Bible or it's teachings, they will get a Lot of things wrong and not understand what is being taught.
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Old 07-24-2015, 11:20 AM
 
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No, not his brother. Read the account it was his "neighbor" Samaritans and Jews were NOT "brothers" and were in fact in opposition with each other. Helps if you actually read and understand before drawing a conclusion.



No, you are again not seeing the difference between a brother and a neighbor. Both are to be helped but in context in differing ways.


Jesus was sent to the Jews and had minimal contact with non Jews or Proselytes of Judaism. His brothers THEN were such. They were all believers in God as they all worshiped at the same place, the temple. Next the feeding of the crowds was on occasions when they came to him to hear him teach and were there a long time. Feeding them was not a preplanned event at all, which is why it took a miracle. If we accept your position on the event we all need to be able to miraculously produce food beyond what we have after people come to hear us teach.

United believers who worship together, Brothers, help each other at an individual and congregational level. Non "brothers" are helped as the Good Samaritan illustration showed, by individuals as they can.

Gotta understand the context and the meaning of the events. If one does not accept the Bible or it's teachings, they will get a Lot of things wrong and not understand what is being taught.
But he did miracles for Romans and non-jews. Minumal or not, and these by definition are not brothers.

If Christ hads the big picture inmind, he knew it wasn't just "brithers" whi would become the least of these, so what is the difference in doing to the least of theses (brothers) and doing for neighbors?

Is not the act and intent the same? LOVE, MERCY and JUSTICE?
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Old 07-24-2015, 07:14 PM
 
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But he did miracles for Romans and non-jews. Minumal or not, and these by definition are not brothers.
Nope, the Roman put faith in him (According to Jesus great faith) and ....came to Jesus. The gentile woman also expressed faith. That is the sum total of non Jews or proselytes and they were putting faith in Jesus. They were "brothers" in faith. In addition the ones being helped came to him, they expressed faith and showed it by their actions. Jesus did not feed or cure those who did not believe in him or werenot fellow Jews.

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If Christ hads the big picture inmind, he knew it wasn't just "brithers" whi would become the least of these, so what is the difference in doing to the least of theses (brothers) and doing for neighbors?
Now that is a good question and if you were to read the scriptures in the NT that deal with this,in context and examining what was being said and occurring, you would know the following.

1. Everyone is our neighbor so for each individual believer we help those we can.
2. The Congregation/Ekkleisa/Church as a group helps it members/brothers/fellow worshipers locally and around the world. In addition the individual members would also help their brothers as individuals.

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Is not the act and intent the same? LOVE, MERCY and JUSTICE?
Yes it is. But their is a difference between the acts of the Church/group and the individuals. The Church helps their brothers and individuals help both their brothers and their neighbors individually.

In addition such help is NOT the major effort either the Church or the brothers are to be engaged in. Their is a greater act of love to be shown and it does not bring the same "praise" from nonmembers but it is what Christ did and we are told to do. Remember Jesus healed, fed and taught. Which was his greatest work (Aside for dying for man) as identified by what he was called by those who experienced all these actions??
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Old 07-25-2015, 02:59 PM
 
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But he did miracles for Romans and non-jews. Minumal or not, and these by definition are not brothers.

If Christ hads the big picture inmind, he knew it wasn't just "brithers" whi would become the least of these, so what is the difference in doing to the least of theses (brothers) and doing for neighbors?

Is not the act and intent the same? LOVE, MERCY and JUSTICE?


This is the whole picture--- one can give a meal, or a little money etc--this is a temporary fix. trinity charities do this daily, but then fail 100% of the time to give the permanent fix along with the temporary fix--which fails the one in need and fails Jesus--a single teaching from Jesus applied and not one would never starve or not have covering-- Matt 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness, and all these other things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality-Matt 6)
---Jesus promised his Father, Jehovah would provide those 3 things daily if needed if one applied this single teaching. The JW,s teach all this freely.

So if one actually thinks the trinity religions do their handouts to please Jesus and not teach the permanent fix alongside of the handout, they are wrong--they do it for mens eyes for a pat on the back, when in reality they have failed both sides.
The permanent fix is worth a gazillion more times than a handout( temp fix)
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Old 07-25-2015, 04:20 PM
 
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I think they have their right just as you do to belief. Its not the not the only religion that believes its the true religion of god.
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