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Old 07-25-2015, 04:56 PM
 
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I think they have their right just as you do to belief. Its not the not the only religion that believes its the true religion of god.
Yep, every "religion/church" believes they are the true religion/Church. The real issue is not what a church believes but if they are the true religion/church.
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Old 07-25-2015, 06:22 PM
 
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Yep, every "religion/church" believes they are the true religion/Church. The real issue is not what a church believes but if they are the true religion/church.
And the only way to prove it is by what they believe.
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Old 07-25-2015, 06:39 PM
 
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And the only way to prove it is by what they believe.
That is true, IF what they believe is true and do they act in harmony with their beliefs.
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:51 AM
 
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That is true, IF what they believe is true and do they act in harmony with their beliefs.
Which is exactly what each of us do, therefore there is and can never be an ABSOLUTE TRUTH that can be enforced or used to justify any aberrant behavior or actions, like discrimination based on ANY reason, or compliance to a biblical law as interpreted by anyone.
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:18 PM
 
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But he did miracles for Romans and non-jews. Minumal or not, and these by definition are not brothers.
If Christ had the big picture in mind, he knew it wasn't just "brothers" whi would become the least of these, so what is the difference in doing to the least of theses (brothers) and doing for neighbors?
Is not the act and intent the same? LOVE, MERCY and JUSTICE?
Yes, Jesus did miracles, mostly for Jews because before Pentecost the way was first opened mainly to the Jews.
The ' brothers ' of Matthew 25:31-32,40 - are Jesus ' spiritual brothers ' that righteous sheep-like people do good to them.
The act or intent of the humble sheep is to do good to Jesus' spiritual brothers'. That could include help in a physical or material way as the neighborly good Samaritan did. However, doing good to Jesus' spiritual brothers' would include assisting them in a ' spiritual way ' such as helping with the international spreading about the Bible's good news of Matthew 24:14; and Acts 1:8 as Jesus said his genuine followers would be doing on a global scale before the end comes of all badness on earth.

Both Jesus' brothers' plus those doing good to Jesus' brothers would be focused on telling the world about Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership coming soon to govern over earth.
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:37 PM
 
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I think they have their right just as you do to belief. Its not the not the only religion that believes its the true religion of god.
Why else would any person belong to a religion unless they believed it was the right one ?

By Jesus' logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures showed Jesus believed his teachings were the right religious teachings. Jesus believed the Scriptures are ' religious truth ' - John 17:17
Jesus often quoted or referred to the Hebrew Scriptures by prefacing his statements with the words, "it is written " as the basis for his teachings.

Unlike other religious books, the Bible is full of corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses or passages, thus showing the internal harmony among its many writers making it possible for Jesus to be our accurate religious teacher tying in Genesis with Revelation for us.

God promised Abraham that thru Abraham all families of earth would be blessed, and all nations of earth would be blessed.
Thru Jesus, as Messiah, as promised by God, there will be the blessed healing of earth's nations.
Please compare - Genesis 12:3 with Genesis 22:18 with Revelation 22:2
At Rev. 22:2 we see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' ( everlasting life ) for all mankind on earth.
From the paradise of Eden lost, to paradise regained on earth under Christ's coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over earth when Jesus, as King of God's Kingdom, will have subjects on earth from sea to sea - Psalm 72:8
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:46 PM
 
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But if you do the works you do with the express idea of a reward in heaven, how can you say you have "disowned yourself" if the only reason you do works is because you are focused on the reward?
You aren't focusing on the reward. Doing the works is simply based on having turned your life over to God. A sort of "God, I belong to you so so what you may with me." and you don't resist and you have peace. You "disown" yourself in that you are no longer number one in your life, God is.

Everyone has a true religion if they have one as that would be the one that makes you feel at peace with what you believe and where you don't have to constantly be critical about what someone else believes. You don't measure your religion against that of another to prove that your is the "true" religion.

Shouldn't the religious beliefs that one decides to follow appear to them to be the "one true religion"?
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:57 PM
 
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Shouldn't the religious beliefs that one decides to follow appear to them to be the "one true religion"?
Then Catholics and Mormon's and 7th Day would all be True and .. wait they disagree on many critical things so .... they can't be all true.

KJV 1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:07 PM
 
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You aren't focusing on the reward. Doing the works is simply based on having turned your life over to God. A sort of "God, I belong to you so so what you may with me." and you don't resist and you have peace. You "disown" yourself in that you are no longer number one in your life, God is.
Everyone has a true religion if they have one as that would be the one that makes you feel at peace with what you believe and where you don't have to constantly be critical about what someone else believes. You don't measure your religion against that of another to prove that your is the "true" religion.
Shouldn't the religious beliefs that one decides to follow appear to them to be the "one true religion"?
Apparently to the religious leaders of Jesus' day they appeared to be the ' one true religion ', but please notice the counsel that Jesus gave them at Matthew 15:9 and the 23rd chapter of Matthew. Jesus gave his reasons for the many ' woes' he pronounced against them. Jesus never taught them or anyone to find a religion that makes you feel at peace.......
Jesus measured the beliefs of the Pharisees against the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Using the old Hebrew Scriptures as a measuring rod, then Jesus could expose what was religiously false.
Not by comparing ' one religion with another religion ' but comparing one's beliefs with the Holy Scriptures as Jesus did.
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Old 07-26-2015, 06:08 PM
 
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Apparently to the religious leaders of Jesus' day they appeared to be the ' one true religion ', but please notice the counsel that Jesus gave them at Matthew 15:9 and the 23rd chapter of Matthew. Jesus gave his reasons for the many ' woes' he pronounced against them. Jesus never taught them or anyone to find a religion that makes you feel at peace.......
Jesus measured the beliefs of the Pharisees against the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Using the old Hebrew Scriptures as a measuring rod, then Jesus could expose what was religiously false.
Not by comparing ' one religion with another religion ' but comparing one's beliefs with the Holy Scriptures as Jesus did.
Yes, as even Jesus did not say my words are true because I have God's spirit, I have God's love, etc; rather he said "it is written".

He set the example and many who claim him ignore it.

Either, they claim, their leaders are inspired (at time) and their words are equal or superior to Scripture or they claim to have God's spirit and ... their words are equal or superior to scripture. The same position that Jesus condemned.

That false spirit and claim is all over the place today and quite obviously here in this forum.

I think Jesus knows best and .. he turned people to His Father's written word, helped them understand it better and turned them away from the non inspired words of men who claimed to be led by God's spirit.

The spirit Jesus sends today did not replace scripture, it does what Jesus did, it helps us understand the written word better/more accurately. There are many like the pharisees of Jesus day who claim God is leading them and ..... if they disagree with the written word they are just like the pharisees Jesus condemned and indicated the spirit they followed was Satan's.

The major divisions today do not come from scripture but from men who twist it, try to supplant it or claim to be spirit led and try to turn people away from God's written word to their own.
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