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Old 10-24-2011, 01:05 PM
 
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Why do you think Jesus allowed people to worship Him? Because He is God. (Matt. 14:33)

There is only ONE God who allows worship - God is one WHAT and three WHO's. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
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Old 10-24-2011, 03:44 PM
 
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Why do you think Jesus allowed people to worship Him? Because He is God. (Matt. 14:33)

There is only ONE God who allows worship - God is one WHAT and three WHO's. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

This explanation is all based on a lack of understanding of the words used in the Bible and their historical context. Identifying the correct translation of the Greek word proskuneo is the problem. Translating it into "worship" for modern English is lexically and contextually inaccurate. The only reason it is maintained in modern Bible translations is because it weakly supports their trinity bias.

The organizations that commission these Bibles want to tickle the ears of audience that buys their Bible. What evidence is there of that? Ask yourself, why would they correctly translate proskuneo only when it is not directed toward Jesus, and maintain "worship" only in those verses where it is? the answer is simple, BIAS. How would people feel if we changed it in those places that reference Jesus? They would be up in arms! Therefore, we will just be accurate in the other places and leave it alone in reference to Jesus, none of our readers will notice.

Matthew 18:26
The KJV retains the archaic "worship"
However, check the other modern English versions. They translated it accurately as, did him homage, do obeisance, prostrated himself, fell on his knees, feel down before.....

There are other scriptural examples we can examine if you do not believe it, but it boils down to is: how could the same translators who know the most accurate translation proskuneo into modern English and always use it when not speaking of Jesus, fall back and use "worship" when it is used in reference to Jesus?

There, is no lexical, grammatical, or valid contextual reason for it. Their use is completely motivated by their trinity bias.

Think about it! Their only justification can be bias. It must be "worship" because they believe Jesus is God, and since it is worship, then he must BE God. Circle logic!

Last edited by BWW1962; 10-24-2011 at 03:47 PM.. Reason: grammer
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:02 PM
 
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The JW's do not believe in the same Jesus as the Bible witnesses him to be. Jesus is Jehovah (Jehovah in black \ Jesus in blue)

Jehovah: “Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other." Isaiah 45:22

Jesus: Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28
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Jehovah: "Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid.
The LORD, the LORD, is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.” Isaiah 12:2

Jesus: It is by the name of Jesus Christ....Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name Acts 4:10,12
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Jehovah: "The LORD is my shepherd" Psalm 23:1

Jesus: "I am the good shepherd" John 10:11
----------------------------

Jehovah: " Who is the rock except our God? " Psalm 18:31

Jesus: " the spiritual rock accompanied them, and that rock was Christ " 1 Cor 10:4
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Jehovah: "I am God. ... Before Me every knee will bow, by Me every tongue will swear" Isaiah 45:22-23

Jesus: ... "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow.. and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" Philippians 2:10-11
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Jehovah: " ' You are My witnesses,' declares the LORD " Isaiah 43:10

Jesus: "You will be My witnesses" Acts 1:8
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Jehovah: " I the LORD do not change" Malachi 3:6

Jesus: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever" Hebrews 13:8

Last edited by twin.spin; 10-24-2011 at 06:09 PM.. Reason: Bible verse added
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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Jesus is God but Jesus and Jehovah are not the same person? I can agree with that but only as believing that Jesus is a God, even called a mighty God. Jehovah though is God Almighty and to no one else does that title go.
Jesus is not a God. He is God. Always has and always will be.
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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The answer to the OP is "no"
  • I trust in Jesus, not in an organization (John 3:16)
  • I know that I have eternal life (1 John 5:13)
  • I know that I will be with Jesus forever (John 14:1-6)
  • I'm not saved by what I do. I do good works out of love for God (Ephesians 2:8-10)
The other factor is that Jesus (who JW's admit Jesus was sinless) never referred to God as "Jehovah" ...... he called God "Father"
  • Jesus did not instruct us to address God as "Jehovah"
Finally, Jesus warns about the wolf in sheep's clothing who attempt to predict the end. Jesus command not to listen or follow them.

The Watchtower has repeatedly predicted the world to come to an end:
  • 1874
  • 1914 (twice)
  • 1918
  • 1925
  • 1941
  • 1975
As per usual ( like Harold Camping) when their prophecies fail, various tactics are used to cover up the failure by the false prophets. Some ( again like Camping) just change the date, change their liturature, or just blow it off as a "just a mistake".
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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The JW's do not believe in the same Jesus as the Bible witnesses him to be. Jesus is Jehovah (Jehovah in black \ Jesus in blue)

Jehovah: “Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other." Isaiah 45:22

Jesus: Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28
------------------------
Jehovah: "Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid.
The LORD, the LORD, is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.” Isaiah 12:2

Jesus: It is by the name of Jesus Christ....Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name Acts 4:10,12
----------------------------------

Jehovah: "The LORD is my shepherd" Psalm 23:1

Jesus: "I am the good shepherd" John 10:11
----------------------------

Jehovah: " Who is the rock except our God? " Psalm 18:31

Jesus: " the spiritual rock accompanied them, and that rock was Christ " 1 Cor 10:4
-------------------------------

Jehovah: "I am God. ... Before Me every knee will bow, by Me every tongue will swear" Isaiah 45:22-23

Jesus: ... "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow.. and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" Philippians 2:10-11
--------------------------------------

Jehovah: " ' You are My witnesses,' declares the LORD " Isaiah 43:10

Jesus: "You will be My witnesses" Acts 1:8
--------------------------------------

Jehovah: " I the LORD do not change" Malachi 3:6

Jesus: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever" Hebrews 13:8
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:42 PM
 
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Can a Jehovah's Witness show Scripture support for Jesus being Michael the archangel?
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:42 PM
 
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Default Is There Only one True Religion as the Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?

Is there only one true religion as the Jehovah's Witnesses believe?
NO! . . . but there is ONLY ONE true God.
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Old 10-24-2011, 07:36 PM
 
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The JW's do not believe in the same Jesus as the Bible witnesses him to be. Jesus is Jehovah (Jehovah in black \ Jesus in blue)

Jehovah: “Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other." Isaiah 45:22

Jesus: Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28
------------------------
Jehovah: "Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid.
The LORD, the LORD, is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.” Isaiah 12:2

Jesus: It is by the name of Jesus Christ....Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name Acts 4:10,12
----------------------------------

Jehovah: "The LORD is my shepherd" Psalm 23:1

Jesus: "I am the good shepherd" John 10:11
----------------------------

Jehovah: " Who is the rock except our God? " Psalm 18:31

Jesus: " the spiritual rock accompanied them, and that rock was Christ " 1 Cor 10:4
-------------------------------

Jehovah: "I am God. ... Before Me every knee will bow, by Me every tongue will swear" Isaiah 45:22-23

Jesus: ... "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow.. and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" Philippians 2:10-11
--------------------------------------

Jehovah: " ' You are My witnesses,' declares the LORD " Isaiah 43:10

Jesus: "You will be My witnesses" Acts 1:8
--------------------------------------

Jehovah: " I the LORD do not change" Malachi 3:6

Jesus: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever" Hebrews 13:8


It is interesting to see the scriptures that people use to associate by inference that Jesus is God.

However, not ONE says Jesus is God. Neither is there even one that explicitly states the basic tenets of the trinity.

Is it also known that where the Scriptures from the OT uses LORD, that is a translators replacement for YHWH, the Father's personal name? So, in your presentation you are repeatedly inferring that the Father is the Son. This is in direct conflict with the trinity belief that the Father and Son are seperate persons, not the same.

It just reinforces the point that the trinity is NOT in the Bible and that the Bible contradicts that false belief everytime trinitarians try to twist it to their purpose.
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Old 10-24-2011, 07:37 PM
 
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There is only one way.

I am the way the truth and the Life. No one comes to the Lord except through me.

That's the word of the Lord who sent me. I came down from heaven to do His will not my own.

I am the resurrection and the life.

I am the gate any one who enters this gate will be saved.

Scripture has it;

"Open up the gates to let in a nation that is just, one that keeps faith.

The way of the just is smooth; the path of the just is level.

A king will reign justly and princes will rule rightly.

Justice will bring about peace; right will produce calm and security.

Who of us can live with the consuming fire? who of us can live with the everlasting flames? He who does what is right and speaks the truth.

Look in the book of the Lord and read: No one of these shall be lacking, For the mouth of the Lord has ordered it, and his spirit shall gather them there.

My chosen ones shall inherit the land, my servants shall dwell there".

No disciple is above his teacher, no slave above his master.
It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, for the slave that he become like his master.

The Lord has anointed me with His spirit . He has sent me to bring glad tidings to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to captives and give sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, and to proclaim a year of favor from the Lord.


"Blessed are you when people hate you, and when they exclude you, revile you, and defame you on account of the Son of Man.

I am son of man. Jesus sent me.
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