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Old 06-04-2010, 11:51 PM
 
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God is not a multiplied deity. He is three Persons who have all have the same essence. Three in Person and One in essence. The three Persons of the Godhead have eternally existed co-equally. In nature or essence, there is no distinction between them.



The Persons of the Godhead are not being added. 1+1+1=1 is simply a teaching aid to show that the three Persons of the Godhead are still one God. God in three Persons. Unfortunately, many people still don't understand it.
You do not understand it, Mike555, or you would not dare to add one God and one God and one God and make a claim that 1+1+1 = 1. It ain't so! The Word of God also does not say that Elohym is one Elohym, but that YHWH, the Elohym, is One YHWH, in Deuteronomy 4.

Elohym is plural, and YHWH is singular, as to kind, just as Adam is singular as to kind. YHWH, the Elohym, is One YHWH, says the Word, and in YHWH, there are three Persons.
God, the El, in the Person of YHWH the Word, is the only similitude/image of the One YHWH who has ever, is ever, or shall ever, be seen. No man can see God, who is YHWH, but in the face of God the Word who is come in flesh. Before He came incarnate, no human being nor created being of any kind had ever seen His face.
All the fullness of the Godhead who is unseen dwells in Jesus the Christ bodily, and forever we shall see the face of God only in Jesus the Christ, says the Word of God.


YHWH is a multiplicity of three persons in one YHWH, and in comparison, Adam is a multiplicity of billions and billions of persons in one Adam.
The Word very plainly gives us the manner of understanding the multiplicity of the One YHWH Spirit/Kind by explaining for us, in examples, the one Adam nature/spirit/kind, and yet a multiplicity of persons in the one male and female Adam, from the beginning.
male and female made He them, and called their name Adam. -One Adam, two persons, right from the beginning. Not only that, but the Word also tells us that Adam multiplied [Adam] on the face of the earth, in Genesis 6, as Adam was commanded to do in the beginning of creation. The multiplied Adam is still called one Adam, all through the Tenach, by the Creator, and yet in the one Adam there are multiplied persons.

Adam is one Adam. In Adam there are persons, but there is only one Adam nature/Spirit/kind, and Adam is male and female in the persons.
One can see the explanation of one spirit/kind/nature in all creation, in that each created kind is one kind, only, and multiplies only its own kind. The multiples of the kind do not add more kinds, according to the command of the Creator.
There is one Adam kind, and male and female persons in the one kind.
There is one YHWH kind, and there are three Persons in the One YHWH kind, but there are not three forms to be seen in YHWH, but one, and only one form of YHWH can be seen, in the Person of God the Word.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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You do not understand it, Mike555, or you would not dare to add one God and one God and one God and make a claim that 1+1+1 = 1. It ain't so! The Word of God also does not say that Elohym is one Elohym, but that YHWH, the Elohym, is One YHWH, in Deuteronomy 4.

Elohym is plural, and YHWH is singular,
You don't understand what I'm saying.

Again, 1+1+1=1 is simply a teaching aid with regard to the fact that all three Person's of the Godhead have one essence. The three Persons of the Godhead are a Unified One. Unified in their nature. In their essence. With regard to their attributes.


The name of Jehovah or YHWH is applied individually to each of the three Person's of the Godhead. The name Elohim is the plural name for God. Threre are three Persons in the Godhead who all have the same essence. That in no way implies three different Gods.




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as to kind, just as Adam is singular as to kind. YHWH, the Elohym, is One YHWH, says the Word, and in YHWH, there are three Persons.
Elohim refers to the plurality of the Godhead. The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. The name of Jehovah or YHWH is applied to each of the three Persons of the Trinity. Three Person's with one nature or essence, and so, One God. God is a unified One.

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God, the El, in the Person of YHWH the Word, is the only similitude/image of the One YHWH who has ever, is ever, or shall ever, be seen. No man can see God, who is YHWH, but in the face of God the Word who is come in flesh. Before He came incarnate, no human being nor created being of any kind had ever seen His face.
All the fullness of the Godhead who is unseen dwells in Jesus the Christ bodily, and forever we shall see the face of God only in Jesus the Christ, says the Word of God.
That's right. Jesus Christ is the revealed Person of the Godhead.

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YHWH is a multiplicity of three persons in one YHWH, and in comparison, Adam is a multiplicity of billions and billions of persons in one Adam.
The Word very plainly gives us the manner of understanding the multiplicity of the One YHWH Spirit/Kind by explaining for us, in examples, the one Adam nature/spirit/kind, and yet a multiplicity of persons in the one male and female Adam, from the beginning.
male and female made He them, and called their name Adam. -One Adam, two persons, right from the beginning. Not only that, but the Word also tells us that Adam multiplied [Adam] on the face of the earth, in Genesis 6, as Adam was commanded to do in the beginning of creation. The multiplied Adam is still called one Adam, all through the Tenach, by the Creator, and yet in the one Adam there are multiplied persons.

Adam is one Adam. In Adam there are persons, but there is only one Adam nature/Spirit/kind, and Adam is male and female in the persons.
One can see the explanation of one spirit/kind/nature in all creation, in that each created kind is one kind, only, and multiplies only its own kind. The multiples of the kind do not add more kinds, according to the command of the Creator.
There is one Adam kind, and male and female persons in the one kind.
There is one YHWH kind, and there are three Persons in the One YHWH kind, but there are not three forms to be seen in YHWH, but one, and only one form of YHWH can be seen, in the Person of God the Word.

All of what you are saying above is that in the Godhead, there are three Persons who have the same nature. Just as I have said. Again. There are 3 different Persons in the Godhead. All three of these Person's have the same identical essence or nature which consists of the attributes which I have already listed elsewhere.


But God did not multiply Himself. The three Persons of the Godhead have eternally existed, with each of the Person's being co-equal with each of the other two Persons.

Each of the three Persons is God. Not separate God's. All three together are God. God in three Persons.

1 Person (The Father) who is God + 1 Person (The Son-Jesus Christ) who is God + 1 Person (The Holy Spirit) who is God = God.

It just occurred to me, that the way I titled this thread might be a bit confusing to some. Instead of titling it 'Understanding the Triune Nature of God,' I should have titled it as 'Understanding the Nature of the Triune God.' Not that anyone can truly understand the fullness and the intricacies of who and what God is, but nevertheless, the Bible reveals God as one God in three Persons, with the Oneness of God refering to His essence.

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Old 06-05-2010, 10:49 AM
 
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I find it very sad that trying to understand and explain a trinity is seemingly more important than the importance of coming to know the true nature and character of the Lord our God, the one just feeds the intellect and puffs you up , the other causes us to grow in grace and in the knowledge of Him(the reality of who He truely is) .
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Old 06-05-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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You don't understand what I'm saying.

Again, 1+1+1=1 is simply a teaching aid with regard to the fact that all three Person's of the Godhead have one essence. The three Persons of the Godhead are a Unified One. Unified in their nature. In their essence. With regard to their attributes.


The name of Jehovah or YHWH is applied individually to each of the three Person's of the Godhead. The name Elohim is the plural name for God. Threre are three Persons in the Godhead who all have the same essence. That in no way implies three different Gods.

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And in the Bible, the name Adam is applied individually to each person in Adam.
You are Adam, I am Adam. You are a male Adam person. I am a female Adam person. There is one Adam nature/being/spirit, into which we come into our being in, as the seed of the One Adam, multiplied as commanded, on the face of the earth. Malachi 2:15 clearly states that the male and female Adam "share" the one spirit called Adam. Each seed of Adam has its own "share" of the one Adam spirit, which makes the seed inherently Adam.

This is the only way to understand the One YHWH in three Persons, as the Word portrays, by understanding the one Adam in billions of persons, as the Word portrays.

Just as all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus Christ, in the same manner, all the fullness of the Adamhead dwells in you and dwells in me. What Adam is, by nature, I am, and you are.

What YHWH is, by nature, Jesus Christ is, and the "Father" is, and the "Holy Spirit", is.
But The Word who was with God, hidden, and who was God, and who is come in second creation human being flesh also has another nature since the incarnation, and that nature is fully human, but is not Adam. The New Man nature is called Israel [all the teaching of the OT is about that New Man name of God who was to come, and is come]. The New Man name, on which each born again in Christ believer will have "written" on His being at the regeneration of the body of dead Adam flesh, is "Israel".
Until that day of regeneration of the dead Adam flesh and nature, we cannot be called "Israel", as the namesake people can be, who were chosen to bear the Name of God who was to come, as a sign of the promised adoption which was to come, into His New Man nature and Name.
When the regeneration of the flesh comes to us, we will no longer be dual natured, ourselves, who are in Adam the dead nature and flesh, but who have been born of the Living Spirit of adoption, into Christ, the Living Spirit.




There is one YHWH nature/Spirit/being, and in the One YHWH there are plural Elohym: exactly three.
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