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It's absolutely amazing, though not surprising, how even though the Bible states it outright that Jesus Christ is God, there are people who simply refuse to believe it. And the Holy Spirit is identified as a Person, not a force or attribute, and again, many people deny it.
I've been asking to see this "the Bible states it outright that Jesus Christ is God" proof for as long as I've been a member of C-D.... Have yet to see it but still the claim is there...
So where does the Bible state outright that Jesus is God?
Well, yeah... It's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned, too, and yet I hold the opposite opinion.
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The concept of the Trinity is based on what the Bible teaches.
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The doctrine of the Trinity is not stated in one sentence per se, but rather like this. If A=B and B=C then A=C. So we have scriptures that say Jesus is God such as John 1:1 and 1:14 plus Phil 2:5-8. Other scriptures say the Holy Spirit is God such as Romans 8:9-11, 2Cor 3:3 and 17-18 plus Acts 5:3-4. This is the short list.
Yes, the scriptures state exactly what you say they do. Now, show me one that says they are 3-in-1.
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Please excuse me for being hard nosed on this issue, but IMO if the Bible says the ski is blue in plain Greek then I just say OK. The Bible says the ski is blue and I don't try to expain it away. I submit to God's word even tho I might not understand it 100%.
And if the Bible said God is 3-in-1, I'd believe it. The problem is, it doesn't. Anywhere.
I think if you try and dwell on this too much it becomes confusing. Honestly, none of us can really understand and everything is assumption and surmising beyond believing that God is One, but has three parts.
I must agree with this sentiment.
Trinitarians can run in circles all day trying to make their points and others can run behind them showing the obvious contradictions. The result is a bunch of dizzy people.
We all understand that Jesus is God's unique son which also what the bible clearly says.
Though not a trinitarian my view can also be just as mysterious as the trinity - not worth arguing over.
I've been asking to see this "the Bible states it outright that Jesus Christ is God" proof for as long as I've been a member of C-D.... Have yet to see it but still the claim is there...
So where does the Bible state outright that Jesus is God?
Open your mind:
There are a number of scriptures that state the same attribute for God and Jesus. Jesus and God cannot both possess these particular attributes, unless they are one and the same.
Compare what is said about God and Jesus:
As Creator of all things:
God: Genesis 1:1
Jesus: Colossians 1:16
As Savior
God: Isaiah 43:11
Jesus: Titus 3:6
The Alpha and Omega:
God: Revelation 21:6
Jesus: Revelation 22:13
The First and the Last:
God: Isaiah 44:6
Jesus: Revelation 1:17 & 2:8
Every Knee Shall Bow to me:
God: Isaiah 45:23
Jesus: Philippians 2:10-11
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Read John 10:30-33 --Jesus said, I and My Father are one.”
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
See what the Jews said in reaction to Jesus saying He and the Father were one. They knew what Jesus meant.
And look at what the Jews said in Luke 5:20-25--When Jesus saw their faith, He said to him, “Man, your sins are forgiven you.” And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, “Why are you reasoning in your hearts? Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise up and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the man who was paralyzed, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” Immediately he rose up before them, took up what he had been lying on, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.
The Jews were correct in saying that only God can forgive sins.
We have scriptures that say Jesus is God such as John 1:1--In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And then John 1:14-- And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. (bear in mind that God can be in two or more places at once.)
Phil 2:5-8 says: Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
1Tim 3:16 says: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory. (NKJV)
People, People. Try explaining your religious beliefs to an atheist and he just looks at you funny. Three in one is a difficult concept, but let's face it, to a non-believer, you already believe in a lot of ridiculous stuff, so why not the Trinity, too.
Besides, the early Christians came together and determined that the Trinity was real. While the early writings and Bible don't mention Trinity by name, it does mention all three. So today, we have the Nicene creed to guide our beliefs. All was revealed by Christ, but not everything was understood right away. Sometimes, it takes time.
The doctrine of the Trinity is an orthodox Christian belief. Anything else is just generic can of green beans.
The concept of the Trinity is based on what the Bible teaches. The doctrine of the Trinity is not stated in one sentence per se, but rather like this. If A=B and B=C then A=C. So we have scriptures that say Jesus is God such as John 1:1 and 1:14 plus Phil 2:5-8. Other scriptures say the Holy Spirit is God such as Romans 8:9-11, 2Cor 3:3 and 17-18 plus Acts 5:3-4. This is the short list.
But if one decides otherwise or "interprets" certain scriptures to say otherwise then one can decide the Trinity doctrine is incorrect.
Please excuse me for being hard nosed on this issue, but IMO if the Bible says the ski is blue in plain Greek then I just say OK. The Bible says the ski is blue and I don't try to expain it away. I submit to God's word even tho I might not understand it 100%.
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