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I believe in the father, the son, and the holy spirit.
I think that much is obvious, however, i believe they are all the same person, or different manifestations of the same personality ...
How is it even possible for them to be the same person? Throughout the New Testament, we can see example after example of Jesus praying to His Father and referring to His relationship to His Father.
For me, the question isn't, "Is Jesus God?" It's "Is Jesus the same individual as God the Father?" If you believe He is (the same individual as God the Father), could you tell me where in the Bible it says that?
John 14:8-11 "Philip said to Jesus, "Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need." Jesus answered, "Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. The person that has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you truly believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don't come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or believe because of the miracles I have done."
John 14:8-11 "Philip said to Jesus, "Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need." Jesus answered, "Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. The person that has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you truly believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don't come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or believe because of the miracles I have done."
Jesus was at one with The Father and he is the Master of all but he is not the Father. He came to the Earth to show us the Way, the Truth and the Life. I love Jesus with all of my heart but I would never put him above the Father, the Almighty One.
How is it even possible for them to be the same person? Throughout the New Testament, we can see example after example of Jesus praying to His Father and referring to His relationship to His Father.
God is a hyper dimensional being ... He is not constrained by time and space.
You might just as well ask how God can be all places at the same time.
Its simply a matter of perspective.
When the disciples asked when they would see the father, why did Christ ask them why they didn't recognize him even though he had been with them so long?
How can Christ be one with his father, and tell us that when we see him we see the father, and he not be the same person as the father?
How could Christ have existed with the father before the world(kosmos - universe and everything in it) was(Jhn 17:5)?
How could Christ have been Immaculately conceived?
Why does Jesus say that no one can come to him unless the father draw them, and then go on to say that if he be lifted up, he would draw all men unto himself?
Why did Isaiah say that Christ would be called father of the ages and mighty God?
The idea i believe is that Christ is God in the flesh. He is the alpha and the omega, he is the beginning and the end. He is the son of God, the king of kings, the lord of lords, he is everything, messiah, Jehovah, the prince of peace is he, the son of man, and the king of Abraham ... (you know the words )
Why is Christ called Imanu'el(God with us) if he i s not in fact God?
Why did Thomas Call Christs his lord and his God, and if he was wrong in doing so why didn't Christ rebuke him for it?
For every question you may ask of me there are just as many that i might ask of you ...
God bless ...
Last edited by Ironmaw1776; 06-07-2010 at 08:15 PM..
John 14:8-11 "Philip said to Jesus, "Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need." Jesus answered, "Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. The person that has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you truly believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don't come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or believe because of the miracles I have done."
God is a hyper dimensional being ... He is not constrained by time and space.
You might just as well ask how God can be all places at the same time.
Its simply a matter of perspective.
When the disciples asked when they would see the father, why did Christ ask them why they didn't recognize him even though he had been with them so long?
How can Christ be one with his father, and tell us that when we see him we see the father, and he not be the same person as the father?
How could Christ have existed with the father before the world(kosmos - universe and everything in it) was(Jhn 17:5)?
How could Christ have been Immaculately conceived?
Why does Jesus say that no one can come to him unless the father draw them, and then go on to say that if he be lifted up, he would draw all men unto himself?
Why did Isaiah say that Christ would be called father of the ages and mighty God?
The idea i believe is that Christ is God in the flesh. He is the alpha and the omega, he is the beginning and the end. He is the son of God, the king of kings, the lord of lords, he is everything, messiah, Jehovah, the prince of peace is he, the son of man, and the king of Abraham ... (you know the words )
Why is Christ called Imanu'el(God with us) if he i s not in fact God.
Why did Thomas Call Christs his lord and his God, and if he was wrong in doing so why didn't Christ rebuke him for it?
For every question you may ask of me there are just as many that i might ask of you ...
God bless ...
Amen!
"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6)
"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"- which means, "God with us." (Matthew 1:23)
Jesus was at one with The Father and he is the Master of all but he is not the Father. He came to the Earth to show us the Way, the Truth and the Life. I love Jesus with all of my heart but I would never put him above the Father, the Almighty One.
That's not what the scripture says. Read it again.
To be clear, i agree with Modalistic Monarchianism ...
This link might be interesting for those interested in understanding the development of the doctrine of the trinity throughout the early Church period ...
Last edited by Ironmaw1776; 06-07-2010 at 08:37 PM..
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