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Old 06-12-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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such foolishness when we try to interpret the bible to support our own needs---can we not accept that some believe that priests(disciples) were given the ability to forgive sins and those of you who believe only in blood of jesus interpretation stop trying to push upon others as yours being the correct way

IN THE END WHEN WE DIE WILL IT REALLY MATTER-- He will let us know
The blood of Jesus is not a common thing. It is the blood of God and if you think for one moment that we need anything more than the blood of God Himself to remove our sins then you are greatly mistaken. So many people keep running to popes, priests and confession booths because they don't trust God enough to believe that He has removed all of our sins and MADE us right in His eyes by the blood of Jesus.
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Old 06-12-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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the blood of jesus is not a common thing. It is the blood of god and if you think for one moment that we need anything more than the blood of god himself to remove our sins then you are greatly mistaken. So many people keep running to popes, priests and confession booths because they don't trust god enough to believe that he has removed all of our sins and made us right in his eyes by the blood of jesus.
amen!!!
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Old 06-12-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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Jesus gave us (humans) a new commandment, love your neighbors as yourself. Pretty simple. if i just follow that one the other 10 are useless because Love is the end of it all. So in reality, Jesus changed it. No need to have a religion war. And just so you know, Moses broke the first 10 commandments....Literally. All of them at the same time. see exodus 32:22-24
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Old 06-12-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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Jesus gave us (humans) a new commandment, love your neighbors as yourself. Pretty simple. if i just follow that one the other 10 are useless because Love is the end of it all. So in reality, Jesus changed it. No need to have a religion war. And just so you know, Moses broke the first 10 commandments....Literally. All of them at the same time. see exodus 32:22-24
Jesus did not take away the ten commandments. Jesus said, himself, that he had come to fulfill the prophecies and nothing else. Those that think they can live only under Grace are seriously fooling themselves. What Jesus said was to love only God and to love one's neighbor as one's self. Those two sentences, or command, are just putting the ten commandments in a nutshell. The first four commandments are all about loving God and the last six commandments are about loving and living with others. It is all about relationships.
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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Jesus did not take away the ten commandments. Jesus said, himself, that he had come to fulfill the prophecies and nothing else. Those that think they can live only under Grace are seriously fooling themselves. What Jesus said was to love only God and to love one's neighbor as one's self. Those two sentences, or command, are just putting the ten commandments in a nutshell. The first four commandments are all about loving God and the last six commandments are about loving and living with others. It is all about relationships.
The more people believe God loves them the more holiness manifests in their life. The 10 commandments can do nothing for humans but destroy them. The bible calls the law the ministry of death because no one can be justified by it. So how do we make obedience manifest in sinful flesh that on its own effort cannot obey a single law? You keep hearing about the grace of God and how much God and Jesus loves you and then and only then will you see holiness manifest.
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:25 PM
 
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The more people believe God loves them the more holiness manifests in their life. The 10 commandments can do nothing for humans but destroy them. The bible calls the law the ministry of death because no one can be justified by it. So how do we make obedience manifest in sinful flesh that on its own effort cannot obey a single law? You keep hearing about the grace of God and how much God and Jesus loves you and then and only then will you see holiness manifest.
How can these destroy someone:
-Loving God, Worshiping God only, not making graven images, not killing others, not stealing, not coveting, not bearing false witness against others, honoring your parents, not committing adultry , and keeping the sabbath day holy.

While doing all these above cant save your soul, they are still required for you to follow them as they are commands of God. The blood of Jesus saves us, but it still doesnt mean we are free to sin at free will.

Romans 3:31


31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.




Grace means when we sin, we are no longer held under the law of sin and death. Jesus blood covers our sin if we repent and ask for forgiveness. So in the OT, if you killed someone, the law would require you be put to death if there were enough witnesses. Now under grace, you can ask for forgiveness and turn from your sin, but if you remain unrepentant, you will face God's wrath on judgement day.
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:51 PM
 
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How can these destroy someone:
-Loving God, Worshiping God only, not making graven images, not killing others, not stealing, not coveting, not bearing false witness against others, honoring your parents, not committing adultry , and keeping the sabbath day holy.

While doing all these above cant save your soul, they are still required for you to follow them as they are commands of God. The blood of Jesus saves us, but it still doesnt mean we are free to sin at free will.

Romans 3:31


31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.




Grace means when we sin, we are no longer held under the law of sin and death. Jesus blood covers our sin if we repent and ask for forgiveness. So in the OT, if you killed someone, the law would require you be put to death if there were enough witnesses. Now under grace, you can ask for forgiveness and turn from your sin, but if you remain unrepentant, you will face God's wrath on judgement day.
Galatians 2:21 "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

Have you forgotten that God has made you righteous by the blood of Jesus? Why do you believe you must do something to make or maintain that righteousness? Our place is to rest in what Jesus did and then and only then will you begin to see God's law manifest in the life of a believer. Do not make faith a work as most churches have done. Faith is seeing Jesus.

You cannot use the word "required" under grace. Have you not been reading my replies? Have you not watched the corresponding videos I have posted with them? No where am I saying it is Ok to sin under any circumstance so do not make that assertion about me. I am saying the only way to make God's law (His standard of holiness for a human) manifest in the life of a believer is by the grace of God, believing that God loves you and has removed all your sins by the blood of Jesus.
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:15 PM
 
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The blood of Jesus is not a common thing. It is the blood of God and if you think for one moment that we need anything more than the blood of God Himself to remove our sins then you are greatly mistaken. So many people keep running to popes, priests and confession booths because they don't trust God enough to believe that He has removed all of our sins and MADE us right in His eyes by the blood of Jesus.

people go to priests/ministers(not popes)to discuss their failings,receive blessings,prayers and guidance NOT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT TRUST GOD-----i do not pretend to know the belief that only the blood of jesus can remove our sins--yet i do not criticize that belief--if only there can be a reciprocity to those that do talk about their transgressions/sins with religious leaders of any christian denomination and NOT a retort or judgement that they are doing something incorrectly
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:25 PM
 
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people go to priests/ministers(not popes)to discuss their failings,receive blessings,prayers and guidance NOT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT TRUST GOD-----i do not pretend to know the belief that only the blood of jesus can remove our sins--yet i do not criticize that belief--if only there can be a reciprocity to those that do talk about their transgressions/sins with religious leaders of any christian denomination and NOT a retort or judgement that they are doing something incorrectly
The main problem with believers today is that they don't know just how saved they are by the blood of Jesus.
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Old 06-13-2013, 06:08 AM
 
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Galatians 2:21

Have you forgotten that God has made you righteous by the blood of Jesus? Why do you believe you must do something to make or maintain that righteousness?
Nobody has said that anyone has to do anything. The fact is that if one truly loves Jesus then one would want to follow the commandments, as best they can. We are still sinners and always will be, until Jesus returns. Why is it that you and so many others wish to say that we are saying that you must follow the commandments to receive salvation? That is not what anyone is saying at all, but you know that and just wish to argue. The facts are that if you love Jesus then you will try to live by His Father's commands.
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