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Old 06-02-2010, 12:27 PM
 
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Versus Freewill. (Something other than Universalism-pleeze)

Romans 8:29. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. (NKJV)

IMO this scripture links freewill and predestination. God knew in advance (foreknew) who would choose Christ. We live our lives and make freewill choices. Some choose Jesus, some say no thanks.

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I agree with you.
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Old 01-09-2011, 08:23 PM
 
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Default Predestination Explained

In my understanding, Predestination can be explained in the sense of a drowning person. In the traditional Calvinist view of Predestination, all people are dead from drowning at the bottom of a pool. There is absolutely no way that we can save ourselves. However, if God choses, he can grab us from the bottom of the pool and get us to breath again. We can't choose God, we are dead! Once we are saved we would never refuse His gift of life. (What person after being saved from drowning would ask to be thrown back into the water?)

So in essence, God chooses to save us and no one in their right mind would go back to their old lives after having been truly saved by God. I hope this analogy helped!
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Old 01-10-2011, 05:37 AM
 
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Versus Freewill. (Something other than Universalism-pleeze)

Romans 8:29. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. (NKJV)

IMO this scripture links freewill and predestination. God knew in advance (foreknew) who would choose Christ. We live our lives and make freewill choices. Some choose Jesus, some say no thanks.

Discuss.
so God knew they were goin to fail,before they even came here,but yet still brought them here,knowing that they were goin to end up in hell,why didnt He just send the ones that wouldnt fail here then their would be harmony in the universe,instead of all those sinners who deserve to burn.you see the flaw in your philosophy?????
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Old 01-10-2011, 05:45 AM
 
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the only thing predestined is happiness for all beings,but before this there will be pain and pleasure on the material platform,we existed as pure spirits once in the spiritual universe,we missused our free will and somehow ended up on the temporary plane to become enjoyers of material pleasure which is only temporary,the very soul that exists inside each living entity(infact the soul is the living entity)is eternal in nature,it originates from the spiritual universe and is a small expansion of god's energy,He is the whole while everything else,including us are the parts.we may be floating around the material cosmos,life after life changing bodys(their are hints of reincarnation in the bible)but the soul dosent go through these changes ,it is a different energy than matter,it is a spiritual energy,but one day when we once again become pure,and start devoting oneself to God consioussness and stop liv ng for fruitive activities,therefore getting rid of ones karma,we will return to where we came from,the spiritual universe where we will be filled with bliss and knowledge.and live out an eternity of truth,joy and consioussness.
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Old 01-10-2011, 05:47 AM
 
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Versus Freewill. (Something other than Universalism-pleeze)

Romans 8:29. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. (NKJV)

IMO this scripture links freewill and predestination. God knew in advance (foreknew) who would choose Christ. We live our lives and make freewill choices. Some choose Jesus, some say no thanks.

Discuss.
We don't choose Christ. Christ does the choosing:

Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
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Old 01-11-2011, 11:39 PM
 
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Yep.

Actually I was hoping to get Calvanists and Aremians and those in between to chime in.
You forget that most of us around here get Aremians confused with the people from a certain landlocked mountainous country in the Caucasus region of Eurasia.
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Old 01-12-2011, 12:06 AM
 
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Versus Freewill. (Something other than Universalism-pleeze)

Romans 8:29. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. (NKJV)

IMO this scripture links freewill and predestination. God knew in advance (foreknew) who would choose Christ. We live our lives and make freewill choices. Some choose Jesus, some say no thanks.

Discuss.
Actually, it says "whom" He foreknew, not "what" He foreknew concerning them. I really don't think the concept of "freewill" is under consideration.

It's like what David said:

Psa 139:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.
O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me.

In this regard, what was true for David is also true of all mankind:

Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Job 34:21 For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings.

Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
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Old 01-12-2011, 12:20 AM
 
Location: NC, USA
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Let's Talk About Predestination

Dang, that's a Presbyterian thing. Interesting folks those Presbyterians, they are not bible thumpers, don't stand up and shout, roll around on the floor speaking in tongues, (or pretending to). Their services are quiet mostly, yes, they sing, they pray in unison, but not loudly,no screaming of "Amen", no "Hallelulyas" (or however the sound is spelled) I have never heard them ask each other if they have been saved or any other "thumper" religiosity. It is a quiet service, easily slept through, unless one snores.
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Old 01-12-2011, 06:58 AM
 
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Predestination is real. We think we have free will but at the spiritual level all things have been determined. It is only God that changes destinies.
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Old 01-12-2011, 07:14 AM
 
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Versus Freewill. (Something other than Universalism-pleeze)

Romans 8:29. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. (NKJV)

IMO this scripture links freewill and predestination. God knew in advance (foreknew) who would choose Christ. We live our lives and make freewill choices. Some choose Jesus, some say no thanks.

Discuss.

Act 13:48 Now on hearing this, the nations rejoiced and glorified the word
of the Lord, and they believe, whoever were set for life eonian."

Those not set for life eonian or life pertaining to the coming eons do not and cannot believe.

Yes all mankind has a will but that will is fully opposed to God. It runs from God rather than to God.

Only when God GIVES faith to be believing, only when God sets one for eonian life can one believe.
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