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Old 03-04-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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Well, let's consider a few things. Mocern Christianity, as invented by Paul, initiated the concept of Jesus' Sacrifice for atonement of some original sin.
This original sin never happened, and if we take the definition of "Sin" as something that "Seperated man fro "GOD" then tru there is NO SIN!
And since we know that man was never a "god" Some 10000 years ago in teh non-existant Garden of Eden any more or less than now, and since there is nothing really to seperate man from god, then NO Jesus' death, the result of making the wrong people angry )if that is how it happened) is NOT A sarifice for anything....it is a shame that someone would be killed for speaking out but it happens even today.

Jesus death was of no coincidence. Anyone who angered the Jewish leaders or the Roamn authorities could anticipate it. Go to Iran today with a Bible in hand or a Buddhist prayer robe and I guarantee you it will happen there as well.

"God" did not need to sacrifice himself to himself in order to chagne some law he made anyway" because 1 there is no theistic god to make such lasws and 2 all such "laws" fron god are reallly laws from man.

That being said, there is a lot that can be learned and gained from the pursuit of the "Christ consciousness" That quest for heaven/nirvana, that endless self improvement that we could all use at some time or another. But it does not exist in traditional or organized Christianity today, outside of a few new age and gnostic circles.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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Perfect is a subjective not an objective concept.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:54 PM
 
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Modern Christianity is a one-off from Paul as Paul was a one-off from Christ. Modern Christianity has a lot of Gnosticism in it.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:32 PM
 
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Well, let's consider a few things. Mocern Christianity, as invented by Paul, initiated the concept of Jesus' Sacrifice for atonement of some original sin.
This original sin never happened, and if we take the definition of "Sin" as something that "Seperated man fro "GOD" then tru there is NO SIN!
And since we know that man was never a "god" Some 10000 years ago in teh non-existant Garden of Eden any more or less than now, and since there is nothing really to seperate man from god, then NO Jesus' death, the result of making the wrong people angry )if that is how it happened) is NOT A sarifice for anything....it is a shame that someone would be killed for speaking out but it happens even today.

Jesus death was of no coincidence. Anyone who angered the Jewish leaders or the Roamn authorities could anticipate it. Go to Iran today with a Bible in hand or a Buddhist prayer robe and I guarantee you it will happen there as well.

"God" did not need to sacrifice himself to himself in order to chagne some law he made anyway" because 1 there is no theistic god to make such lasws and 2 all such "laws" fron god are reallly laws from man.

That being said, there is a lot that can be learned and gained from the pursuit of the "Christ consciousness" That quest for heaven/nirvana, that endless self improvement that we could all use at some time or another. But it does not exist in traditional or organized Christianity today, outside of a few new age and gnostic circles.
Very interesting post dude. Ive thought these same things at times myself!
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:37 PM
 
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Self improvement and self destuction are two rather obtuse concepts. The same change gets labled one in one model and the other in another. How do you decide which is happening.
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:47 PM
 
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We just need to believe in him.Our faith will answer all all our questions.
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Old 06-20-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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He did it all for you and for me, a love that we cannot fatham because our human love is so fractured compared to God who does not have love but is love. The only reason this time-based world exists and He is putting up with all the wrong is because of us, as soon as the last person hears about our Father, He is so finished and we are homeward bound....perfectomundo!
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:46 PM
 
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Why didn't they realize who Jesus was? Because they were expecting Him to come and rule the earth by force. We mow know this wont happen until His 2nd coming. They got the exact opposite, a man offering grace instead of capital punishment to sinners. Jesus was the Jews last chance at following the law and if they could, then Jesus would rule His earthly kingdom. This was the small "plan" that He knew was going to fail. Remember the woman that had to beg Jesus to heal her son and their conversation? Even His decsiples waited eagerly for Him to impart His kingdom on earth. Remember the first thing they ask Him after they see Him alive again? "now is it time to restore the kingdom do Isreal?" Jesus only revealed His big plan in private before He left-the famous John 3:16.

Jesus stated a lot of timeless truths, but alot of what He said about earning your way into heaven was for the Isrealites some 2k years ago. Think about it, how could Christ blood clense ur sins if He hadnt died yet? Jesus clearly was the perfect example of the law and upheld it and preached it to a T. It would make sense if the NT started at Romans. Not until Paul had his revelation was the big plan revealed and taught.

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Old 06-20-2012, 07:31 PM
 
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Please show me where in scripture it is God's Law that only God in Human form is an acceptable sacrifice for sins.

In fact, show me where a human sacrifice is demanded at all!

Also... while you are at it. Please show me where it is said that God wants sacrifice for atonement of sins.

God had a plan.. that much is clear. Was his plan to send himself as a human so he could die for the sins of humans as a sacrifice to himself?

Or was his plan to send himself to earth to demand holiness and choices?

If the bible is clear that Jesus is God then why weren't the apostles more reverent to him? After all he is GOD! and why did they become disappointed when Jesus died... didn't they know that God cannot die? Furthermore if Jesus died and took on the incorruptible how (if he is God) would we also take on that incorruptible form since we are not God-man?

Lots of questions and so little time!
Shalom katjonjj...there was a certain man, an imperfect man, a sinner as much as anyone else...a man who like all of us would have died a death all together unpleasing to G-d. G-d demonstrated His mercy by taking that man and conferring upon him the responsibility of reconciling us back to Himself...Jesus did not come in his own name...
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:47 AM
 
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That doesn't make any sense. God can't sacrifice himself to himself.
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