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View Poll Results: Is worshipping Jesus idolotry?
No, Jesus is God and man so it is not idolatry. 8 61.54%
No, worshipping Jesus is worshipping his God part. 1 7.69%
Yes, Jesus was a man therefore it is idolatry to worship him. 4 30.77%
Yes, Jesus although God-man is still a man and it is idolatry. 0 0%
Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-01-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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The phrase 'word of God' is used both for Jesus and for the gospel message. Paul called what the apostles taught 'the word of God.' And that extends to the Bible.

The (W)ord of God pertaining to Jesus: John 1:1, 14; Revelation 19:13

The word of God pertaining to the apostle's teaching: 1 Thessalonians 2:13

The word of God pertaining to the gospel: (A few examples) Acts 4:31; 6:7; 8:14; 11:1; 12:24; 13:5; 13:46;Hebrews 13:7.

In Matthew 15:6 Jesus calls the Mosaic Law the word or commandment of God.

In the Bible, the phrase 'word of God' is not used for Jesus alone as the verses posted above show.
The word of God is Jesus Christ and the Apostles preached Jesus Christ the word of God,It really is not difficult to understand
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:29 AM
 
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The phrase 'word of God' is used both for Jesus and for the gospel message. Paul called what the apostles taught 'the word of God.' And that extends to the Bible.

The (W)ord of God pertaining to Jesus: John 1:1, 14; Revelation 19:13

The word of God pertaining to the apostle's teaching: 1 Thessalonians 2:13

The word of God pertaining to the gospel: (A few examples) Acts 4:31; 6:7; 8:14; 11:1; 12:24; 13:5; 13:46;Hebrews 13:7.

In Matthew 15:6 Jesus calls the Mosaic Law the word or commandment of God.

In the Bible, the phrase 'word of God' is not used for Jesus alone as the verses posted above show.
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The word of God is Jesus Christ and the Apostles preached Jesus Christ the word of God,It really is not difficult to understand
No, it's not hard to understand. The phrase 'word of God' in the posted verses does not refer to Jesus. It refers to the gospel message, and to the teaching of the apostles.

In 1 Thess. 2:13 Paul states that what the Thessalonians received from the apostles was not the word of men, but the word of God, referring to the word as 'it.' The word of God here refers not to Jesus but to the teaching of the apostles which Paul said was not the word of men, but the word of God. Again, the phrase 'word of God' does not refer only to Jesus. In Acts 15:7 Peter referred to it as 'the word of the gospel.'

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Old 09-01-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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No, it's not hard to understand. The phrase 'word of God' in the posted verses does not refer to Jesus. It refers to the gospel message, and to the teaching of the apostles.

In 1 Thess. 2:13 Paul states that what the Thessalonians received from the apostles was not the word of men, but the word of God, referring to the word as 'it.' The word of God here refers not to Jesus but to the teaching of the apostles which Paul said was not the word of men, but the word of God. Again, the phrase 'word of God' does not refer only to Jesus.
It is hard for you to comprehend because you have convinced yourself that the Bible and Jesus Christ are the word of God .it really is simple to the open minded r
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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It is hard for you to comprehend because you have convinced yourself that the Bible and Jesus Christ are the word of God .it really is simple to the open minded r
Jesus is called the Word of God because He personifies God's word. But God's word has come to man in various ways. The word of God has been communicated by angels, through dreams and visions, by the Old Testament prophets, by Jesus, by the apostles, and through the Scriptures.

Jesus Himself stated that He gave the apostles God's word.
John 17:14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
He wasn't referring to Himself. He was referring to what He had communicated to them about God.

John declares the book of Revelation to be the word of God because the Revelation was given by God (the Father) to Jesus, who communicated it to John.
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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Jesus is called the Word of God because He personifies God's word. But God's word has come to man in various ways. The word of God has been communicated by angels, through dreams and visions, by the Old Testament prophets, by Jesus, by the apostles, and through the Scriptures.

Jesus Himself stated that He gave the apostles God's word.
John 17:14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
He wasn't referring to Himself. He was referring to what He had communicated to them about God.

John declares the book of Revelation to be the word of God because the Revelation was given by God (the Father) to Jesus, who communicated it to John.
You are unteachable
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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John declares the book of Revelation to be the word of God because the Revelation was given by God (the Father) to Jesus, who communicated it to John.
Making Jesus not G-d...
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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Making Jesus not G-d...
Yahweh is a single Being who subsists as three 'persons' or centers of consciousness who do not have separate existence. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all united as one God.

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Old 09-01-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Idolatry defined:
Easton's Bible DictionaryImage-worship or divine honour paid to any created object. Paul describes the origin of idolatry in Romans 1:21-25: men forsook God, and sank into ignorance and moral corruption (1:28).
The forms of idolatry are,
(1.) Fetishism, or the worship of trees, rivers, hills, stones, etc.
(2.) Nature worship, the worship of the sun, moon, and stars, as the supposed powers of nature.
(3.) Hero worship, the worship of deceased ancestors, or of heroes.
Bible Dictionary: Idolatry


How sure are you that Jesus is God? If you are sure then why is his human name (Jesus) used in worship? Are you worshiping a created being or God?


It is clear in the bible that Jesus was a man.... how clear is it that he is God?


If you use the name Jesus isn't that the name of the man and therefore you are worshiping the man and not God?


I am curious to find out how strong people's convictions are about the nature of Jesus....


Also, if Jesus is God why pray or worship Jesus by name.. why not simply pray to/worship God? Isn't that the same thing?
Actually',
Ole shaul mentions that idolatry is synonymous with greed.
Kinda like labans character flaw.

Silly father in law thought he was gonna be wealthy beyond imagination with a double dowry.

Perhaps he should of listened to the Lord Yeshua more closely instead of using his knowledge of the Royal law in order to extort an innocent man for a blessing.


Mark 4;25
"Those that have, it will be taken from them?
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Old 09-01-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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Yahweh is a single Being who subsists as three 'persons' or centers of consciousness who do not have separate existence. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all united as one God.
Nonsense.
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Old 09-01-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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Yahweh is a single Being who subsists as three 'persons' or centers of consciousness who do not have separate existence. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all united as one God.

You better tell Jesus that, He didn't know it--John 20:17, Rev 3:12
Paul had a hard time when explaining who is who naming only the Father as God-1Cor 8:6)
The bible does not teach 2 different Gods--trinity translations do because of errors.
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