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View Poll Results: Is worshipping Jesus idolotry?
No, Jesus is God and man so it is not idolatry. 8 61.54%
No, worshipping Jesus is worshipping his God part. 1 7.69%
Yes, Jesus was a man therefore it is idolatry to worship him. 4 30.77%
Yes, Jesus although God-man is still a man and it is idolatry. 0 0%
Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-16-2018, 08:13 AM
 
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Idolatry defined:
Easton's Bible DictionaryImage-worship or divine honour paid to any created object. Paul describes the origin of idolatry in Romans 1:21-25: men forsook God, and sank into ignorance and moral corruption (1:28).
The forms of idolatry are,
(1.) Fetishism, or the worship of trees, rivers, hills, stones, etc.
(2.) Nature worship, the worship of the sun, moon, and stars, as the supposed powers of nature.
(3.) Hero worship, the worship of deceased ancestors, or of heroes.
Bible Dictionary: Idolatry


How sure are you that Jesus is God? If you are sure then why is his human name (Jesus) used in worship? Are you worshiping a created being or God?


It is clear in the bible that Jesus was a man.... how clear is it that he is God?


If you use the name Jesus isn't that the name of the man and therefore you are worshiping the man and not God?


I am curious to find out how strong people's convictions are about the nature of Jesus....


Also, if Jesus is God why pray or worship Jesus by name.. why not simply pray to/worship God? Isn't that the same thing?
100% Yes. He did not come to be worshipped. He came that we might live the same way he did. For that i am grateful, because the way he showed brought light to the world of the true identity of God and ourselves. See the video i posted on the Book of Eli thread that i posted last night.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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All Jesus ever did was point to the Father...put a ck near every time he did ...you'll see.
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Old 08-16-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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All Jesus ever did was point to the Father...
...he never pointed to himself, as do the fundamentalists.
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Old 08-16-2018, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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What is "worship" if not expressing our love? Do you love Jesus however you perceive His relationship with the Father?
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Old 08-16-2018, 02:57 PM
 
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An angry God is a WEAK God. Anger is the result of a human weakness which God does NOT have.

Jesus got angry at the moneychangers.
Rev 15:1 says you are not correct in your reasoning.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:33 PM
 
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An angry God is a WEAK God. Anger is the result of a human weakness which God does NOT have.
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Jesus got angry at the moneychangers.
Rev 15:1 says you are not correct in your reasoning.
It is a good thing I have my training in human psychology to rely on instead of a barely intelligible ancient text that reads like a bad LSD trip.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:46 PM
 
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Jesus told us to worship the Heavenly Father in Spirit and in Truth. He taught us to pray to the Father.

I think this is a very difficult question. I honestly do not think I'm certain what the right answer is.

A lot of us have been raised in churches that are very "Jesus conscious" and not as focused on the Heavenly Father.

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Old 08-17-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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100% Yes. He did not come to be worshipped. He came that we might live the same way he did. For that i am grateful, because the way he showed brought light to the world of the true identity of God and ourselves. See the video i posted on the Book of Eli thread that i posted last night.

This is AmandaLynn replying to your message to PCamps. Not familiar with this messaging thing. New here. I was lead by the Holy Spirit (Rauch HaKodesh) scriptures and explanation. Please go into prayer and ask for wisdom from above not falling into your own understanding. The more you know him by having a relationship with Him granted he will give you more understanding. I in no way am above you or anyone else or above my GOD but am lead by asking HIM to help me present this to you. Here it is..............


Philippians 2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Be Like Christ
2 Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any [a]affection and compassion, 2 make my joy complete [b]by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose. 3 Do nothing [c]from [d]selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard, one another as more important than yourselves; 4 do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. 5 Have this attitude [e]in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be [f]grasped, 7 but [g]emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death [h]on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
John 1:14 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Word Made Flesh
14 And the Word became flesh, and [a]dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of [b]the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father’s only Son. (John 1:14)

He always had the nature of God,
but he did not think that by force he should try to remain
Instead of this, of his own free will, he gave up all he had,
and took the nature of a servant.
He became like a human being
and appeared in human likeness.
He was humble and walked the path of obedience all the way to death—
his death on the cross.
For this reason, God raised him to the highest place above
and gave him the name that is greater than any other name.
And so, in honor of the name of Jesus
all beings in heaven, on earth, and in the world below
will fall on their knees,
and all will openly proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:6-11)

The Father and I are one. (John 10:30)

“I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.” (John 8:58)

Read 10 Bible verses about Jesus.

About the Son, however, God said: “Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever! You rule over your people with justice. (Hebrew 1:8)

Is it easier to say to this paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, pick up your mat, and walk’? I will prove to you, then, that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “I tell you, get up, pick up your mat, and go home!” While they all watched, the man got up, picked up his mat, and hurried away. They were all completely amazed and praised God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!” (Mark 2:9-12)

Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Do you believe because you see me? How happy are those who believe without seeing me!” (John 20:28-29)

Suddenly Jesus met them and said, “Peace be with you.” They came up to him, took hold of his feet, and worshiped him. (Matthew 28:9)

That grace instructs us to give up ungodly living and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in this world, as we wait for the blessed Day we hope for, when the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ will appear. (Titus 2:12-13)

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. (Hebrews 13:8)

Shalom and blessings from above!

AmandaLynn
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Welcome, AmandaLynn, and thank you. For Bible literalists your citation of Phil "10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." should settle the OP question.

You will learn that pcamps has a well-established relationship with the Spirit and the wisdom to be gained by that. He was making a slightly different point from the OP in that the emphasis on worship or expressions of love to Jesus was NEVER what Jesus was looking for, but the demonstration of that love in our relationship with the Father and our fellow children of that Father.

That doesn't mean that such expressions are wrong, just that they are secondary at best.
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:34 AM
 
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Psa 118:15

The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

Psa 118:16

The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.


a promise yet to be fulfilled on the Feast of Tabernacles . Yeshua is the right arm of God and he has done valiantly even again, even twice. and his voice will be heard in the tabernacles of the righteous !
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